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FRS · 2009-10-13, 03:36

Thanks for the translation Shinji103, they are very cute 4-koma.

kaworu50 · 2009-10-13, 05:34

Alright, for Fate's fan

In this spoiler, you are not gonna like it because it is a pictuce contain villains characters and mine.

Spoiler for The Good Foes:

00-Raiser · 2009-10-13, 12:01

Thanks so much for the translations, Shinji103! Here are the edited versions:

Spoiler:

Times like this I really hate the Japanese vertical text allignment. Makes it more difficult to fit the text in the bubbles.

If there's a trick to it, I'm too much of an amateur to know it.

Thanks again!

DezoPenguin · 2009-10-13, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Thanks so much for the translations, Shinji103! Here are the edited versions:

Spoiler:

Times like this I really hate the Japanese vertical text allignment. Makes it more difficult to fit the text in the bubbles.

If there's a trick to it, I'm too much of an amateur to know it.

Thanks again!

Ha! I love Vivio being an uber-nerd!

(Heck, I did that joke in one of my omakes.

) She's like...like what would happen if Yuuno and Vita got together.

Nita · 2009-10-13, 17:19

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Originally Posted by DezoPenguin

She's like...like what would happen if Yuuno and Vita got together.

D:! Never thought about those two before, makes want to write some crack xD Too bad I don't trust my english enough to actually do it xD

Eh.. Eh...

00-Raiser · 2009-10-13, 18:01

Yuuno/Vita eh...

Spoiler:

There's also this.

RadiantBeam · 2009-10-13, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liitha

D:! Never thought about those two before, makes want to write some crack xD Too bad I don't trust my english enough to actually do it xD

Eh.. Eh...

Fate and Vita?

Soljashy · 2009-10-14, 01:04

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

There's also this.

There should be a rule against random bursts of Japanese words in an English fan fic.

itanshi1 · 2009-10-14, 01:38

Random bursts of english during a japanese fanfic? Heck, the show itself?

Soljashy · 2009-10-14, 02:11

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Originally Posted by itanshi1

Random bursts of english during a japanese fanfic? Heck, the show itself?

Just because the Japanese fail at foreign languages doesn't mean we have to follow suite.

itanshi1 · 2009-10-14, 02:16

Who says it is a fail? What is a fail? What is success? :3

Soljashy · 2009-10-14, 02:21

Several points can be raised against such usage.

Switching languages like this disrupts the flow of a piece of writing.
English readers cannot be expected to know Japanese, so they might not understand.
Chances are, the author is not fluent in Japanese and likely to make a fool of himself.

Ever wonder why you don't see this happening in professional writing?

P.S. Now I am myself guilty of derailing the thread.

Sheba · 2009-10-14, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soljashy

There should be a rule against random bursts of Japanese words in an English fan fic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soljashy

Just because the Japanese fail at foreign languages doesn't mean we have to follow suite.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soljashy

Several points can be raised against such usage.

Switching languages like this disrupts the flow of a piece of writing.
English readers cannot be expected to know Japanese, so they might not understand.
Chances are, the author is not fluent in Japanese and likely to make a fool of himself.

Ever wonder why you don't see this happening in professional writing?

P.S. Now I am myself guilty of derailing the thread.

And I thought that I was the only one with that opinion. =D

AdmiralTigerclaw · 2009-10-14, 02:50

A nasty problem with Japanese using English being okay, while English spouting Japanese words is actually quite simple.

Japanese is context based. English is subject based.

Spouting off random Japanese words in an English based fiction is like walking up to someone and saying "Bigger Than!"

Bigger than? Bigger than what?

All you have is a description... no context.

Amateurs with no real understanding of what that does in Japanese phrasing are going to make fools of themselves... as a LOT of Japanese words often have multiple meanings depending ON the context. So you can't just start spouting random words off... because the potential is there that while you may mean 'This is a cool thing' with that word, you failed to place the context, and without the context, the meaning falls back on 'You're a gay homosexual rhinosarous! And your dick is small!'

Extreme case, and not an actual example (I'm not fluent enough to have one ready for you), but you get the idea.

Rising Dragon · 2009-10-14, 03:06

... I can't believe you guys are raising an uproar about this over a fanfic with only a single Japanese word in it. What the hell.

Soljashy · 2009-10-14, 03:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

... I can't believe you guys are raising an uproar about this over a fanfic with only a single Japanese word in it. What the hell.

I wouldn't call it an uproar, just some friendly debate (though lacking in opposition at the moment). Also, it's not about the fanfic – that just happened to be the catalyst. I was referring to the practice in general.

Frisko · 2009-10-14, 03:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

A nasty problem with Japanese using English being okay, while English spouting Japanese words is actually quite simple.

Japanese is context based. English is subject based.

Spouting off random Japanese words in an English based fiction is like walking up to someone and saying "Bigger Than!"

Bigger than? Bigger than what?

All you have is a description... no context.

Amateurs with no real understanding of what that does in Japanese phrasing are going to make fools of themselves... as a LOT of Japanese words often have multiple meanings depending ON the context. So you can't just start spouting random words off... because the potential is there that while you may mean 'This is a cool thing' with that word, you failed to place the context, and without the context, the meaning falls back on 'You're a gay homosexual rhinosarous! And your dick is small!'

Extreme case, and not an actual example (I'm not fluent enough to have one ready for you), but you get the idea.

You mention that a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context, which is true. However, you seem to be ignoring the fact that when Japanese words are used in English fiction they are in context.

00-Raiser · 2009-10-14, 10:41

Well, I certainly didn't intend to spark this conversation. If asked if I was for or against random japanese words, I'd say I was against. It is a bit jarring running into them, even if i do have a general idea of what the words mean. In the specific case of that fic, I didn't add that in there, my co-writer did. I thought it was fine since it was a random splur of insults. People who speak multiple languages do that sometimes.

There is one other exception though: the use of suffixes. I use them in my other writings. It's just that there are some suffixes with meanings that just don't carry over to the words Ms or Mr. Plus, after watching a show, my mind is used to processing 'Nanoha-san' and 'Fate-chan', so reading/writing them feels more natural.

But, right, image thread... Not sure if I have anything that's not just a repost... Hm, I have some old stuff my friend drew for me:

Spoiler for chibies:

RadiantBeam · 2009-10-14, 11:01

Awwww, adorable chibis are adorable. :3

Nanya01 · 2009-10-14, 11:05

Chibi!Wendi! So cute! *_*

2009-10-14, 01:38	Link #21409
itanshi1 Writer, Jester, MtG nerd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nanoha Used Car Dealership. RERISE!	Random bursts of english during a japanese fanfic? Heck, the show itself? __________________ For those that belittle their favorite characters, complain about pairings, complain about oversexed images. Stop, thank you. Fear Anxiety Doubt is but a fad. The life of a fad depends entirely on the willingness to support it. Difficulty is a choice. Determination is a path. Your next great idea after your destination is the true goal.

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itanshi1 Writer, Jester, MtG nerd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nanoha Used Car Dealership. RERISE!	Who says it is a fail? What is a fail? What is success? :3 __________________ For those that belittle their favorite characters, complain about pairings, complain about oversexed images. Stop, thank you. Fear Anxiety Doubt is but a fad. The life of a fad depends entirely on the willingness to support it. Difficulty is a choice. Determination is a path. Your next great idea after your destination is the true goal.

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Soljashy The Salary Man Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Africa Age: 38	Several points can be raised against such usage. Switching languages like this disrupts the flow of a piece of writing. English readers cannot be expected to know Japanese, so they might not understand. Chances are, the author is not fluent in Japanese and likely to make a fool of himself. Ever wonder why you don't see this happening in professional writing? P.S. Now I am myself guilty of derailing the thread. __________________ A pleasure doing business with you. This user has been diagnosed with a very rare and dangerous mutation of type Al of the pandemic Kugimiya disease (Retroviridae Kooguencephalitisvirus Kugimijavirus). The source of his infection has been identified as a Kamyu bite. Please be sensitive to him.

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	... I can't believe you guys are raising an uproar about this over a fanfic with only a single Japanese word in it. What the hell. __________________

2009-10-14, 10:41	Link #21418
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Well, I certainly didn't intend to spark this conversation. If asked if I was for or against random japanese words, I'd say I was against. It is a bit jarring running into them, even if i do have a general idea of what the words mean. In the specific case of that fic, I didn't add that in there, my co-writer did. I thought it was fine since it was a random splur of insults. People who speak multiple languages do that sometimes. There is one other exception though: the use of suffixes. I use them in my other writings. It's just that there are some suffixes with meanings that just don't carry over to the words Ms or Mr. Plus, after watching a show, my mind is used to processing 'Nanoha-san' and 'Fate-chan', so reading/writing them feels more natural. But, right, image thread... Not sure if I have anything that's not just a repost... Hm, I have some old stuff my friend drew for me: Spoiler for chibies: __________________ Last edited by 00-Raiser; 2009-10-14 at 16:42.

2009-10-13, 03:36	Link #21401
FRS Lurker on the threshold Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: France Age: 46	Thanks for the translation Shinji103, they are very cute 4-koma.

2009-10-13, 05:34	Link #21402
kaworu50 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Penang, Malaysia	Alright, for Fate's fan In this spoiler, you are not gonna like it because it is a pictuce contain villains characters and mine. Spoiler for The Good Foes:

2009-10-13, 12:01	Link #21403
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Thanks so much for the translations, Shinji103! Here are the edited versions: Spoiler: Times like this I really hate the Japanese vertical text allignment. Makes it more difficult to fit the text in the bubbles. If there's a trick to it, I'm too much of an amateur to know it. Thanks again!

2009-10-13, 18:01	Link #21406
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Yuuno/Vita eh... Spoiler: There's also this.

2009-10-14, 02:50	Link #21414
AdmiralTigerclaw Sword Wielding Penguin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Subspace, Texas Age: 39	A nasty problem with Japanese using English being okay, while English spouting Japanese words is actually quite simple. Japanese is context based. English is subject based. Spouting off random Japanese words in an English based fiction is like walking up to someone and saying "Bigger Than!" Bigger than? Bigger than what? All you have is a description... no context. Amateurs with no real understanding of what that does in Japanese phrasing are going to make fools of themselves... as a LOT of Japanese words often have multiple meanings depending ON the context. So you can't just start spouting random words off... because the potential is there that while you may mean 'This is a cool thing' with that word, you failed to place the context, and without the context, the meaning falls back on 'You're a gay homosexual rhinosarous! And your dick is small!' Extreme case, and not an actual example (I'm not fluent enough to have one ready for you), but you get the idea.

2009-10-14, 11:05	Link #21420
Nanya01 Left for TFF Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Frozen Hell of the North Age: 41	Chibi!Wendi! So cute! _ __________________ My fics Due to certain things, I am not here, find me over on TFF.