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Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt
When has Lelouch ever had a major role in the combat? He's always been the commander. I doubt he would just sit back as someone messed with his plan for the world.
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:P Try reading the previous discussion before you jump right into a thread. Several people, including myself, have already pointed out that he'd do
precisely that (sit back as someone messed with the world, that is). If you didn't catch it, the reason Lelouch rejected Charles plan was because it was 'forced kindness'. He also objected to Schniezel's goals for a 'forced peace'. The reason Lelouch put his faith in tomorrow is because it's
open: to interfere with that open future himself, and force it along any one particular path, is something he'd
never do.
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Originally Posted by killbethy
Was there ever a definitive ending for Kanon? I was just thinking about how huge of a plot hole he is left alive.... and I believe the last we see of him, he IS still alive. Kanon knows about Lelouch's past, is loyal to Schneizel, knows what Schneizel was Geass-ed to do (serve Zero), knows that the new Zero can't be Lelouch. He could make one Zero costume and appear before Schneizel and derail the whole Zero Requiem with the amount he knows! LOL  I'm surprised they didn't show him as dead or Geass-ed to patch that up. |
mm, I didn't quite catch this myself, but apparently Kanon was refrained back in 24 (when Schniezel got Geassed). Although true, that isn't permanent...you bring up a good point that he's a liability for knowing everything, but then, it seems unlikely that he'd want to or even be able to derail Zero Requiem.
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Originally Posted by Boduar
I think ill be delusional and hope that by some mysterious plot Lelouch really didnt die and hes the covered up guy at the front of the wagon with C.C. in it and they live happily ever after. In response to one of the above Lelouch knew how cruel he was to Suzaku to make him wear the mask for the rest of his life when he said "This will be your punishment". But yeah chances are Lelouch died too bad.
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:P You are welcome to your delusions, but that wagon driver isn't Lelouch. Here's a pic from the HD version:
The details are a little sparse, but they're there: that's definately not the face of Lelouch.
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...Your enthusiasm is a little sickening. Most of the arguments you've listed have already been refuted, but I guess I'll go ahead and walk you through them. There's no need to go quoting your old posts though; it'd be easier on everybody if you just reposted the thoughts you still had questions about.
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I don't think he died, the title of the anime is CODE geass. Yet everyone only has the code OR the geass. I think that when his father died Lelouch snagged the code and became the first to obtain both the code and the geass. The code didn't belong to C.C. so he is the first to obtain Code Geass.
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Everyone only has the Code or the Geass...because it's only
possible for you to have a Code or a Geass. You lose your Geass when you get your Code. This is established fact. If you think that recieving a Code from a different contractor would actually change anything, try proving that that's even
possible first.
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So he probably is the guy driving the cart.
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See picture above.
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I can't recall, but I don't think C.C. knew how to make the little swan out of paper, like when Lelouch did with his sister. Unless he magically spawned one from the world of C.
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Anyway, my vote is that he obtained Code Geass and now lives with C.C. as an immortal. Also, in order to obtain the code you have to die, like Charles. Charles died and when he popped back up, bam! Code madness. Now that Lelouch is dead...
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There's no proof that you have to die whatsoever. In fact, episode 15 directly contradicts this: Charles is shown to have resisted being Geassed by Lelouch even
before he shot himself: the blue animation of Geass entering the victim's neural pathway is never shown, instead being replaced by a red wall of light. This red light animation is repeated later on in the episode when Lelouch tries to Geass Charles a second time. It's a given that Code activates immediately upon its reciept.
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The code that he didn't get from C.C. but from Charles is with him. Not to mention he proved his acting skills with his sister, so taking a nap in front of thousands shouldn't be much of a burden. Not to mention he promised to kill C.C. if he knew he was going die in his little plot, why not kill C.C. and make up his promise?
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Aside from Nunally's uncanny ability to read people making that impossible, Lelouch could never have recieved Charles' Code. For one thing, Code transfer appears to be completely voluntary. First you'll have to explain why both Charles and Lelouch would want Lelouch to have a Code in the first place, and second, you'll have to explain why, just like you said, Lelouch wouldn't have done C.C. a favour by taking hers instead in the first place.
The second reason for its impossibility was discussed above. There is no such thing as an activation requirement for Codes, so Lelouch would have become immortal immediately after that scene. The fact that there was not even an
inkling of this being shown in the show makes it apparent just how baseless all this Code speculation is.
As for you question of why Lelouch didn't take C.C.'s Code if he knew he was going to die, that's obvious:
Lelouch wanted to die. How do you think he managed to turn Suzaku in Turn 21? He'd admitted that Euphie and Shirley's death were his fault, so he'd make up for it. Why do you think he could finally bend Nunally's will in Damocles? Because he knew he would be taking her place. Lelouch
wanted to do this, and it was him who was pushing Suzaku along in the end--for all that he'd done and all he'd become, Lelouch knew there was no other way to go.
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Originally Posted by aznpatown
hmm nebody notice how tat the flag of brittania + lelouch's blood = a cross? o.0
maybe some biblical illusion to the bible how lelouch sacrifices himsefl for the good of the world
*hint hint* maybe another possible reason tat lelouch isnt dead but rather alive and came back to live later (similar to jesus's death and his reviving). well iono tats just another reason y i thought lelouch is alive
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lol Now that's just taking it too far. Lelouch didn't die taking on the sins of the world--he died bearing all of its hatred. Given that Jesus' last words were "My God, why hast thou forsaken me" while Lelouch died with a smile on his face, the two couldn't be more different.
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I zoomed it obviously. But if you still can't see the patch of white colour surrounding the black line which is his mouth, then the only concept I have to wrap my head around is the fact that you might be blind.
