2013-02-18, 22:43 | Link #304 | |
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Or it's probably Japan's trauma to nukes...
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2013-02-18, 22:45 | Link #305 |
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Well, as archonwing mentioned, I like the difference in powers, in an almost RPG-esque mode. I don't really wanna see them as copy/pastas of each other. Fate being the melee-oriented one, Nanoha the main mid-range cannon powered one, and that would leave Hayate to be the long-range bombardment one.
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2013-02-18, 22:46 | Link #306 | |
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Anyways, that is how all market formulas work. If It's not what you're looking for, you're probably better off finding something that is...since the series is unlikely to chance from it. There is Force...but I have strong doubts on whether it will be animated. Was probably Tsuzukis attempt at testing new waters.
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2013-02-18, 22:51 | Link #307 | ||
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I will agree that the first impression needs to be handled well; the character doesn't even need to be impressive or interesting at first, but only so long as this is intentional and part of the planned development. I don't know about "My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute" (having never watched it, or read it), so I cannot comment on how long Kirino has been in the Scrappy Heap or how impossible I feel it is to rescue her from it. (And my own opinion won't necessarily reflect the popular one.) I do wonder about the relevance of your comment to the Nanoha franchise, though. Is there a character that you feel had a poor first impression? I can't actually think of one. Nove had a great first impression; it only turned out to be bad in hindsight, after the writers decided that she wasn't The Rival to Subaru and Ginga at all. Instead, each of them easily outclassed Nove on her own and forced her to work with a team. More, Nove got relegated to a TEAM that faced off against Teana. In the end, Subaru and Ginga served as each other's rival. Quote:
And before that, when Yuuno wanted to leave Nanoha behind, but she refused to let him go. Which was before Nanoha had really resolved to pursue an understanding with Fate. And the moment where Yuuno helped Nanoha go save Fate from herself. And when he helped Nanoha bring Fate up to the bridge, and then helped Nanoha catch Fate when she fainted. "Where the writer wants to take a story" and "where it makes sense for a story to go" are not always the same thing. Yes, the writers appeared to want to reduce Yuuno in the story while increasing the time that Nanoha and Fate spent together. This wasn't even a bad decision. Exactly how they did that, and to what extent, are a different matter. |
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Though this is partially because I am playing an AOE long ranged heavy damage support character in Guild Wars 2 lately, that I am more noticing Hayate getting shafted and would rather not have said role derided and lacking of screentime. It's there! just more subtle. And it's definitely not boring. (I also have minions that keep getting owned, and use it as a perfect excuse to tease Aki) All and all, Nanoha seems to have used RPG tropes for combat roles, and it has worked well. Quote:
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2013-02-18, 22:57 | Link #309 | |
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"I like to think the best weapon is one you only have to use ONCE." --Tony Stark But seriously, Nanoha only used Starlight Breaker once in the original season. The rest of the time, she used her other talents. Even if Hayate were a main character, she doesn't need to use her nuking power AT ALL if the story doesn't call for it. In which case, it's important that her other abilities are able to carry the day. If her abilities as a commander were not sufficient, then either she shouldn't have been a character, or she should have been a secondary character. Well, she really was just a secondary character. Which wouldn't have been bad, except she wasn't interesting enough in that role. Too much tea time, not enough commanding and strategizing. |
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2013-02-18, 23:02 | Link #310 | |
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I also agreed with the rest of Kaijo's post, of course. |
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2013-02-18, 23:03 | Link #311 |
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Well, SLB is a situational attack that isn't meant for common use. In skirmishes, it'd be a terrible skill to use.
It's only effective after the battle has gone on for a while, otherwise not enough energy will have been collected in the nearby area and it'd be quite the dud.
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2013-02-18, 23:05 | Link #312 | |
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It's worse when the target area is residential, and magical enough that it cannot be protected with Temporal Shift Fields. |
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2013-02-18, 23:07 | Link #313 | |
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I say the same but again the roles you talk about are just side characters not antagonism and in the end it comes down that I don't care or the anime does give me a reason to care. You see the first seasons told a solid story without the extra materials that just come to add more to it. So why StrikerS needs them to complete the story itself? The Wolkenritter are the ones that take the show from A’s. You see the idea is that in the end they show more passion to it than Hayate and really all they need was a reason to start hunting the Linker Cores to fight Nanoha and Fate who also help to save them. I mean Hayate did help as well but her role is easy take away. You see you put Fate there but she was a main character, she was show as antagonism and them give motives, back story and she grows as a character. Which is far more I can tell from the Numbers who not only change after the story was done but off camera.
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Hell no! They still have Fate fanboys with cash to milk! Gotta keep just hinting and teasing until they all get tired. |
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2013-02-18, 23:16 | Link #316 | ||
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Though if she was, I imagine the one red eye was a change made after Fate/Nanoha turned out so popular. But one eye stayed green. |
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2013-02-18, 23:16 | Link #317 | ||
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- Precia just needed someone to gather the Jewel Seed for her. It can be a clone, or she can just take in some kid from the street with talents. Actually, she can just use her drone too. - The series also needed a Magical Girl, so any girl with a bit with magical power could have run into Yuuno and become one instead. Like say, Arisa or Suzuka. Actually, Suzuka made a bit more sense since in the original Triangle Heart 3, her family was revealed to have vampire blood. And since things didn't change much between TH3 and Nanoha, one can assume she also have it in Nanoha. Come to think of it, her reflecting that dodgeball was definitely above human. |
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2013-02-18, 23:26 | Link #318 |
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No, you are mistaken there. You are confusing the role with the character. And I don’t say side characters mean shit, I just say there was not too much to them without that alone making them any kind of bad for their roles. Now the Numbers were not the best villains ever but that is not my point.
Besides you confuse that because I say Hayate can be change other two can be change that easy. You see here is the deal: Nanoha and Fate fill their roles but also gave us their on thoughts about it, get invested and care because of their own reasons. Grow thanks to everything the face and came out as good friends after spending so much together. The story is construct around them and they are the protagonist of those moments. Is not just any magical girl, is Nanoha, is not just any clone is Fate. Now I say that doesn’t apply to Hayate mostly because at first she is sitting there without anything about her being special or she showing passion. Even when she is about to die we never really see things from how she feels now with a family and we focus more on how the Wolkenritter sense this new life with Hayate just accepting them and let them in without almost any question. Again the ones reacting and changing are the Wolkenritter and the one just passive going for the ride is Hayate so really her role is easy to exchange with others without meaning she is bad at is, just that she is kind of less intense and that is why in de end I think we can move her out and not lose that much, maybe make her a little older. What matters is the Wolkenritter growing and caring enough to act.
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2013-02-18, 23:48 | Link #320 | |
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And not because it gave Fate more screentime. I like what it did with Fate. I complain about the Lotus Eater Dream because it's just too convenient for Reinforce to have the power to completely defeat one of her enemies so easily, and then for her to not use that same power against Nanoha. Also, that Reinforce used it at all, given that she was supposedly trying to kill them both for Hayate's revenge. I complain because it was used as a ham-handed way to force Nanoha to fight Reinforce alone... right after Yuuno and Arf were also forced to leave, even when I feel they both could have contributed just fine as support. (In fact, Yuuno --for some reason-- retreated SO FAR AWAY that when he later tries to return to the fight, he's got to fly for quite a while to make it back. Just where the hell did he go, and what was he doing?) Heck, I've even outright said that the Lotus Eater Dream SHOULD have happened, just that it should have happened because of something else, and at a different time and place. By itself, the content of the Lotus Eater Dream was fine (though I would have given Fate a different and more sensible reason for leaving it*). It only becomes a problem when combined with all the other times the franchise keeps returning to the Testarossa household. The movie, the manga supplements of the movie, the second video game... Meanwhile, there's this ferret over here that I'd REALLY LOVE to get some family/home oriented flashbacks. Also, the Wolkenritter. We've seen some of their past, but NOTHING on their origins. Were they human, or always programs? Barring that, some more clarity on how Belka (and the Tome!) related to Al Hazard, and how Belka related to Midchilda. * That reason being that her REAL friends and family were outside, and if she were staying in the dream, they would miss her. Abandoning her friends to hang out with a fake sister isn't what a good, responsible friend does. |
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