Clannad TV (general discussion)

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by K3cT

On the topic of Clannad, a friend told that this game did not do as well as Kanon or AIR in Japan. I suspect so because there's a lack of Clannad fanarts compared to the sheer amounts that Kanon and AIR delivered to us. I'm just curious, is this because of the lack of Hentai in the game? Or is it because the game is not too markedly different (rehashed plot elements and characters) from Key's previous works? Combination of both? I would like to know about this.

If we were to simply look at the sale numbers, I wouldn't say CLANNAD did poorly at all: it sold just as well as all previous Key games, managing to sail over the 100,000 sales line. The lack of adult contents had little effects on the game in terms of sales, and I would surmise popularity as well: Key games were never commented for their ero contents.

It's true that the game didn't receive nearly as much doujin community support as Kanon or AIR did though. If you ask me, I'd attribute that to two things:
1. CLANNAD being a "completed story" with little room for freedom. The story settings were bound so tight, there's no room left for anyone to go in and add their own fan-made plots (ie. for doujinshis)
2. TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night" was released around the same time (Fsn in Feb 2004, CLANNAD in Apr 2004), and it absolutely washed away everything else on the scene at the time, pushing even CLANNAD out of the spotlight.

The fact that the game is so mind bogglingly long was also somewhat of an obstacle too, since it prevented many people from completing it within a reasonable amount of time.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by K3cT

A new season of FMP would be nice as well.

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.




Uh Oh, they're onto me again.... *Steps back into the shadows*

*Steps Back For One Second*

Spoiler:

On the rehashed plot elements, from reading fairly detailed plot summaries of the game I say yes, but others here will probably say no. If you compare character designs they are very similar to those from Kanon and Key has this thing for life altering accidents usually involving some sort of automobile. I think this game has the sickly girl (Shiori from Kanon, the quiet girl who's good in everything at school (Nayuki in Kanon), the girl with the bad attitude (Makoto in Kanon) and the fight-picking tomboy as well (Sort of but not really Mai from Kanon). These are really all just dating sim game traits as a whole though that pop up over and over in any given game scenario from any company though. While the overall progression of events is of course different in this game compared to Kanon, the theme once again seems to be about finding a way in which to be happy in a world that can be quiet cruel and that kind of makes it a rehash of sorts when coupled with the familiar traits of the characters. Ultimately it depends on whether you really like that theme or not. And yes the game initially topped the charts for two straight weeks and kind of bottomed out to #47 on the rankings the week after. Like everyone says it's as a result of Type Moons Fate/Stay Night coming out around that time and if anything gets people worked up in a fervor of anticipation as much as the next Key game it's the next Type Moon Game. Let me put it this way, Type Moon is like the Square Enix of Dating Sim Games and Key is like the Capcom of Dating Sim Games.

Ok time to skedaddle.

[aardvark]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.

I doubt Kodansha will EVER let Gonzo near FMP again, especially after seeing what Kyoani did with the Second Raid. It's just a matter of patience. I think 08 is realistic for another FMP installment from Kyoani...

[K3cT]

Well, to be fair, F/SN deserves all the praises it got because the game really delivers. Type-Moon is really good in making their games feel less like a typical VN and more like a good, intricate fantasy/mystery novel. It's just a pity that their works never got to be adapted properly. ;D Imagine if KyoAni is the one animating F/SN instead of Deen...

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.

Haruhi I can understand but is Kanon really that popular over there, I mean, moreso than FMP? No, please, not Gonzo. TSR was miles more superior than the first season so I would like to see a similar level of quality in the next season.

The fact that the game is so mind bogglingly long was also somewhat of an obstacle too, since it prevented many people from completing it within a reasonable amount of time.

Is it really that much longer than your typical visual novel? Hmm... if it's done well then I see no problem with very long content. Does it get dragged out? Kanon 2006 had these moments as well in the latter parts of the series.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Nuked for now.

[cyth]

I see spoilerific images. Very nice. o.ob It would help if users posting image material played the game before carelessly posting it.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

i"m a fan of Kanon and just recently watched the last episode and then saw this "breaking news" as a preview for Clannad
another series created by the same guys who did Kanon and Air
i guess since its going to be animated by Kyoto animations seems like more hype is revolving around this anime when it premieres sometimes this year
and even more so theres a Clannad movie being released by Toei
hmmm i wonder if Toei is trying to compete with Kyoto for re-doing the Kanon series?!
to me i dont really feel that much hype with this show
i"m more looking forward to lucky star and Nanoha StrikerS
maybe when it finally premieres and fansubs are released
then i"ll give this show a watch!!

BTW whats up with the twitching guy in the trailer??
kinda creeped me out seeing that

[houkoholic]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

BTW whats up with the twitching guy in the trailer??
kinda creeped me out seeing that

That would be Sunohara, the comic relief of Clannad. Looks like he got hit by Kyou's (the girl with the long light purple hair in the trailer) infamous "dictionary of death".

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Originally Posted by Toua

I see spoilerific images. Very nice. o.ob It would help if users posting image material played the game before carelessly posting it.

Could someone tell me what the spoilers in my previous post were?

Spoiler for something that was shown in the promo:

I had some concerns about Ryou's haircut, as I've seen pictures of her with long hair as well. However, she was clearly shown with short hair in the promo

If that's it, I think I should just untag the post. If it's something else, I'll remove the images and post them later.

Has the game been translated? If not, playing it would be problematic.

[houkoholic]

Originally Posted by Maids! Maids! Maids!

Could someone tell me what the spoilers in my previous post were?

As far as I can see:

Spoiler:

1st row: 4th picture
3rd row: 2nd and 3rd picture
5th row: 1st picture
6th: 2nd picture (very very slightly, this one can slip though IMO)

Spoiler for something that was shown in the promo:

I had some concerns about Ryou's haircut, as I've seen pictures of her with long hair as well. However, she was clearly shown with short hair in the promo

Spoiler:

Ryou is the one with short hair and the white ribbon on the left side (her right side) and always had it like that. Kyou is the one with long hair and the ribbon on the right side (her left side), somewhere in the story Kyou cut her hair though. Maybe you mixed up those two?

[nadare]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

If we were to simply look at the sale numbers, I wouldn't say CLANNAD did poorly at all: it sold just as well as all previous Key games, managing to sail over the 100,000 sales line. The lack of adult contents had little effects on the game in terms of sales, and I would surmise popularity as well: Key games were never commented for their ero contents.

It's true that the game didn't receive nearly as much doujin community support as Kanon or AIR did though. If you ask me, I'd attribute that to two things:
1. CLANNAD being a "completed story" with little room for freedom. The story settings were bound so tight, there's no room left for anyone to go in and add their own fan-made plots (ie. for doujinshis)
2. TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night" was released around the same time (Fsn in Feb 2004, CLANNAD in Apr 2004), and it absolutely washed away everything else on the scene at the time, pushing even CLANNAD out of the spotlight.

The fact that the game is so mind bogglingly long was also somewhat of an obstacle too, since it prevented many people from completing it within a reasonable amount of time.

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...

Fate/stay night also had an anime backing... And I think that most of the doujin's fate/stay had was from the anime(when I was browsing danbooru before).

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by nadare

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...

It doesn't quite work that way, because the games came before the anime The animes are based on these games.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by nadare

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...

Fate/stay night also had an anime backing... And I think that most of the doujin's fate/stay had was from the anime(when I was browsing danbooru before).

The games came out waaaay before their respective anime adaptations, and in the case of F/S Night, the anime was a disappointment to the game-fans. The fanbase for Air, Kanon and F/S N were legion long before the animes came out.

Cheers.

[cyth]

I think you're overreacting a bit. Fate/stay night got released early in 2004, and its anime adaptation got released in 2006. Now, call me a wee bit crazy, but 2 years after the original release is IMO a rather short turnaround time for all anime adaptations, be it printed publications or visual novels (except when we're talking eroanime). And Kanon got its first adaptation in less than 3 years after.
As far as Fate/stay night being a disappointment to game fans, that's actually to be discussed and it's not a definite answer. For one, I loved the UBW path and was rather disappointed that the anime didn't go in that direction, but all in all it was an expected production move that the story will get entwined as much as possible and that at least one story path will get sacrificed in the process. I enjoyed the anime overall.

[FireChick]

YAAAAAAAAY!!! A Clannad anime!!! Coooooooool! Nagisa looks so much like Ayu to me. Oh and button (Kyo-chan's pet baby warthog) is so kawaii! Where's Yukine-chan? Kotomi is cute to me but I wanna see more kawaii Nagisa. But sometimes I wish Nagisa got a better name (no offense).

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

i'm kinda surprised
alot of people know about Clannad...i only found out about Clannad the day i seen the trailer after episode 24 of Kanon.....

That would be Sunohara, the comic relief of Clannad. Looks like he got hit by Kyou's (the girl with the long light purple hair in the trailer) infamous "dictionary of death".

i guess that explains why he was twitching....maybe he got kicked in a "certain area"
but still it looked pretty weird when i see that guy twitching on the ground....he should be really funny when the series come to premiere...since he is the comic relief of Clannad!!

[Chaotic_Reign]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.




Uh Oh, they're onto me again.... *Steps back into the shadows*

*Steps Back For One Second*

Spoiler:

On the rehashed plot elements, from reading fairly detailed plot summaries of the game I say yes, but others here will probably say no. If you compare character designs they are very similar to those from Kanon and Key has this thing for life altering accidents usually involving some sort of automobile. I think this game has the sickly girl (Shiori from Kanon, the quiet girl who's good in everything at school (Nayuki in Kanon), the girl with the bad attitude (Makoto in Kanon) and the fight-picking tomboy as well (Sort of but not really Mai from Kanon). These are really all just dating sim game traits as a whole though that pop up over and over in any given game scenario from any company though. While the overall progression of events is of course different in this game compared to Kanon, the theme once again seems to be about finding a way in which to be happy in a world that can be quiet cruel and that kind of makes it a rehash of sorts when coupled with the familiar traits of the characters. Ultimately it depends on whether you really like that theme or not. And yes the game initially topped the charts for two straight weeks and kind of bottomed out to #47 on the rankings the week after. Like everyone says it's as a result of Type Moons Fate/Stay Night coming out around that time and if anything gets people worked up in a fervor of anticipation as much as the next Key game it's the next Type Moon Game. Let me put it this way, Type Moon is like the Square Enix of Dating Sim Games and Key is like the Capcom of Dating Sim Games.

Ok time to skedaddle.

Spoiler for spoiler for central theme of game:

Well, if you were to talk about the central theme of Clannad in a word, that word would be "community." This is in contrast to Air which chose to focus on the theme of "family," though the two share some common elements, and if you really had to compare it's closer in feel to Air than to Kanon. You'll never mistake one for the other though.

[K3cT]

As far as Fate/stay night being a disappointment to game fans, that's actually to be discussed and it's not a definite answer. For one, I loved the UBW path and was rather disappointed that the anime didn't go in that direction, but all in all it was an expected production move that the story will get entwined as much as possible and that at least one story path will get sacrificed in the process. I enjoyed the anime overall.

My main problem with the F/SN anime is the utterly horrible plot pacing after episode 14. It wasn't so bad before that particular episode but it got amplified after that.

Eh, an UBW path would be nice for the anime but it's hard to do that since no matter what, Fate route is necessary to establish the universe so omitting it will alienate people who never play the game. Besides, we would have continuity issues as well.

That would be Sunohara, the comic relief of Clannad. Looks like he got hit by Kyou's (the girl with the long light purple hair in the trailer) infamous "dictionary of death".

Eh, now I finally understand what this fanart is all about.

[ricerocket]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

1. CLANNAD being a "completed story" with little room for freedom. The story settings were bound so tight, there's no room left for anyone to go in and add their own fan-made plots (ie. for doujinshis)

this really worries me how kyoto will manage to animate clannad... controrary to many game fans of kanon, i actually think kyoto did an excellent job on mashing together the different stories or "lines" from the game... but clannad has much, much stricter plot lines for different girls that to combine them into one like kyoto did for kanon would mean to eliminate a huge chunk of elements from every plot line that make clannad so good to begin with... i really doubt even kyoto can pull it off

[TigerII]

Soooo, lets see if a pattern developes. We all know it is going to have many, many sad moments. But my money is for the tragic ending in this one.

Air-Tragic ending

Kanon-Happy ending

Clannad-?(My bet is Tragic)