2007-10-12, 10:52 | Link #243 |
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Ok will admit that the first time I went through it got slightly confused for some reason. But starting to get a hold on the different characters and what will be going on with their stories. At least an interesting start to things.
Was probably the only one that felt bad for that bike.
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2007-10-12, 12:02 | Link #244 |
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Rewatched ep1 with the sub and liked it even more. Perhaps because I grasped who was who and what was what better than at first viewing. One of the more enjoyable shows of the new season, for me, with what looks like some real romance. I was worried about the VAs, but they seem fine to me after one ep.
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2007-10-12, 13:16 | Link #246 | |
Beautiful fighter.
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Even if i didn't look up before hand on the composer of the series, i would have known it was Tenmon right from the start. I've heard a lot of piano tracks over the many many years, and nothing quite compares to his technique --- the one that draws you in, and never let's go. Being a piece of music that you'll never forget --- quite an experience if you ask me, just being able to hear his music. :3 Wonderful start, to a series i very much love at the moment.
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2007-10-12, 16:05 | Link #247 |
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A nice boat reference!? Now that was fast!
About 7:06 where the girl steals the bike (always when a new season begins there is easily a few dozen new names to learn...), she drops a piece of paper, I saw some text on it, I go back and pause, and I almost fell of my chair when I saw what was written on it: "nice boat". It is literally a single frame, blink and miss it. But is that a good sign or a bad... Oh and nice Konata game too. Anyway, the episode was absolutely beautiful, I loved it! Easily this seasons best first episode with Clannad's. |
2007-10-12, 19:42 | Link #248 |
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Hmm..this was another harem i was really waiting for. I liked episode 1..but somehow the character design was not exactly to my liking. Being an artist..it actually holds a bit of importance for me. Even the whole presentation seems very similar to Negima!? and frankly a bit overdone. Most of the times I dont even get why they animated it so beautifully when it really doesnt serve any purpose.
Anyway..these negative points are not that big..definitely a very fresh way of potraying a harem. A very nice episode too. It is no CLANNAD..but hech..no one told it wont get the second spot |
2007-10-12, 22:51 | Link #249 |
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I guess it's probably worth pointing out that "harem" probably wouldn't be an apt label to put on the show, since it's dealing with three different stories of three different couples (who will certainly cross paths, of course). Harem, to me, would have to imply that all the girls are after/competing for one guy's attention/affection.
I realize you probably only meant it as a word, and didn't really mean anything by it. But the only reason I bring it up is that some people categorically refuse to watch a show when it has the "harem" label, since it's widely seen as a derogative. Wouldn't want people to get a false impression. |
2007-10-13, 13:41 | Link #251 |
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Hm, got slightly confused the first time watching it, but I think I'll make an exception to my one-time-viewing rule and rewatch this episode. In case I don't get it, is there a summary available of some sort for this episode? I can be slow at times. :P
EDIT: The music is scarily similar to The Place Promised In Our Early Days when Hiroki was narrating halfway into the movie. It's so emotional. Strange, I had to watch to movie many times too before I could fully understand it.
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2007-10-13, 15:08 | Link #254 |
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Okay... after watching the second episode, I'm wondering if SHAFT isn't going madness for "experimental anime" or such...
For starter, this episode visual quality is very neat and impressive. The details and such are pretty good to the point it might be mistaken by "big" studio like Sunrise, KyoAni, etc. Things are very neat with the sky (though it is sometimes completely overkill, to the point it doesn't suit the basic anime art), and the last scene was eye candy That could be great until... the horrible animation and camera use weren't that erratic. The great prejudice of these 2 points are self explanatory: at the start, the mouths were horribly animated, as it almost looked like they forgot many frames and it became choppy as hell (Chihiro and Yuu) The "art shift", SHAFT usual signature, wasn't as abused as in first episode, but several sequence of these didn't make much sense, and some "outerspace" background didn't match the mood at all. (especially when Hiro was on the rooftop) Now, as i said before, the camera was the worst predicament ever, as ... more than 1/3 of the time, the camera was like 10-15 meters away from the characters... This is really something HURTFUL for the mood, as you can't see the characters facial expressions nor closely their movements. This is even worse they are portrayed as mere silhouette instead of "bodies" in front of background. At least, the Camera zoom has a close look on several instances (especially Miyako), but we never see any "dynamism". Things are worse when you actually realise that the anime visual quality is dampened, because of... the still shot. I don't understand why they do this, but the camera never zoom in or zoom out, nor it moves by any means. They just shift another angle for some seconds to change again, abruptly, without a good timing. (simply, they JUMP from a place to another on the scene, without much transition or movement) Things would go smoother with a dynamic camera and/or a middle plan, instead of stupid far sight or absurd zoom in. This default is my main problem, because the emotions of the characters are just based on their speeches and tones... but absolutely never on their facial expressions or movements. IT is worse to think that the actual visual sight is somewhat distracting the mood, as the camera is more loving to focus on the Bg instead of the said characters (especially Renji and Chihiro) Another big issue: the pace was really unbalanced for me: things like 1/4 SUPER rush, 1/4 or "normal" speed, and the rest is just iffy slow (again, renji and chihiro). Few things happen, but the earlier defaults hurt a LOT the depth of interactions and their meaning And finally, the end of the episode... Simply, they managed to do a very neat and beautiful mood (well the only one of this episode), but... they suddenly wasted it. How? simply by muting the characters and rushing many shots of different angles and actions of Chihiro and Renji without any logic or transition (each frame just succeed to each other without any pause or so), and it just switch directly to the ED, without ANY, i said ANY, transition at all. Overall, this episode is kinda disappointing as well, because they failed to emphasis the mood and the interactions. Rather they try to use experimental "deviant" art, which are far less clumsy in this episode. The problem is that even the "normal art" is distracting and insavise, as the background is almost taking over the interest of the watchers. Also, there wasn't any OP, and it looks like they pick a slow part of "euphoric field" for the "ed". I cannot tell if it is indeed the OP put in such weird place as the end of the episode, or it is another part of the OP taken for the "weekly different" ED. Speaking of this sequence, i hated it, pure and simple. It doesnt' suit at all this kind of story nor "usual art", it is like trying to use usual eroge characters with Negima/poni pani dash execution. Seriously, it isn't nothing outstanding, but rather impertinent and surely not matching the mood.
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2007-10-13, 15:24 | Link #255 |
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Very interesting comments about the cinematography, Klashikari, and very apt. You really do need to treat this anime as if it were film, as it seems the director is going for that sort of style/effect. It's interesting to see how his approach affected the budget allocation; it's an extremely different blend than what you usually see in anime. I'm curious to see what, if any, changes there are on the DVDs. Success or failure is, I guess, up to the DVD-purchasers to decide, but from a cinematic perspective, I'd definitely agree -- this is "experimental anime".
Edit: I must say, though... that ED, and the "transition" that proceeded it, may have been an extremely odd choice for the material, but it was damn cool. I had to watch the fast-forward sequence frame by frame -- all the good close-up angles missing during the episode were there! Last edited by relentlessflame; 2007-10-13 at 15:56. |
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I believe a "poetic" film should give as much emphasis to the characters as the plot or background. In the case of ef, however, things are disjointed, as most points don't merge for an harmony. Rather it looks like both points (characters, plot, background/visual) are simply struggling to take over the spotlight. Ef would be wonderful if the choices "make sense", as you can see some synergy and such. Which is unfortunately not the case, as i commented above because of the issue with the execution. In most films of this kind of genre, the events and characters are much more focalised, which can deal prejudice for the "touch" and mood. That's quite the complete opposite for ef, as they simply pack everything on the "touch" and feel, despite it doesn't give the actual mood of said situations and characters. Quote:
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I believe things would have gone MUCH better if they actually used only 3-5 frames, which are separated with smooth black fading.
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2007-10-13, 17:17 | Link #257 | |
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I guess I would say that the "balance" of the elements in tension tends to work for me, but it continues to have a sort of "tentative" feel -- as if all, including the cinematic elements, are leading to some sort of a resolution that has yet to come. The feelings of the characters are conveyed in an almost-distant way -- as if you get a sense of their feelings, but aren't really experiencing it. This is certainly quite different from most anime in the genre, where perhaps the greatest strength is in conveying atmosphere through emotion rather than the other way around. At this point in the story, though, I'm not ready to decide whether that's either good or bad. I'm willing to give it a bit more time to see where they're going with it. Possibly. The way I took the fast-forward closing sequence is sort of like a "next episode preview". They obviously had a much longer conversation that explained everything in more detail, but it'll probably come back as flashbacks later on or something. So rather than showing pictures of the present situation, they literally were showing a slideshow of scenes to come/unseen. A very unusual strategy, to be sure. While I certainly see the appeal in the 3-5 frame fade approach (I can envision it in my mind), I think it sends a different message (more like "to be continued" as opposed to "it already did continue"). |
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2007-10-13, 17:22 | Link #258 | |
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Thanks for the comment; I missed this on my first two run-throughs. I can sum up this episode in three words: Asou Renji fhghgjdjfkhdkjh. <3 I've been a fangirl for a while, and it's great seeing him animated! *mauled* I absolutely LOVE the song "Euphoric Field". <3 |
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2007-10-13, 17:33 | Link #259 |
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fly high make it
yet to the new word that i see some day read my lewd lips don't look back to the sorrow i left behind he's my real intonation lie high i wish you were here and so shall at met my side eat to be join up to swallow my pride i have been the killer for my armstripe to give your love here come the love in life take it for me to find yourself in shining please fill with wishes fly high make it yet to the new word that i see some day so i believe http://nnl1.com/etc/ef2-op.ogg And many kittens on the earth have just exploded. I look forward to the fansubs of episode 2 to see how they'll interpret this wreck. |
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