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Well, in Clair's flashback, Yasu discusses that the stakes exist in Kinzo's storage.
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Alternatively, Nanjo and Genji spilled the beans. "I'm the head, tell me everything." Quote:
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# Natsuhi's room was exactly the same, just like usual (In this case, usual refers to the closed room scenarios prior.) # The door and the windows were locked from the inside # There is no fraud or trick, there is no means of secret passage and no hidden place # Natsuhi's own key was in George's pocket, and the inside of the room was closed off # Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them # And let me say this, the parlor's the same # The original key to the parlor is sealed in the servants' room # So unlocking it without the master key is impossible! The definition of a closed room is the same as always! Why did Yasu kill George and Gohda? Rosa couldn't do it! The room is locked from the INSIDE. Also, Rosa couldn't kill anyone because she definitely didn't know about the motherfucking bomb. Quote:
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Reintroduce the baby properly or keep her away forever, do not trick her for all of childhood, causing her to hear people talking in her head. Quote:
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You're treating Yasu and the servants as heartless human beings who go on mass murder sprees just because they can. Quote:
Moreover, Yasu has the right to know who she really is. It's also not safe for her to be on the island with her identity exposed after Natsuhi tried to kill her. What the fuck is Genji supposed to do, here?
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2011-02-05, 21:23 | Link #3007 | ||
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2011-02-06, 01:03 | Link #3008 | |
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Just to backpedal a bit, this is an issue that, in my opinion, prevents me from feeling satisfied with alot of the mystery elements : "Why did this person do that thing?" In light of all the events in Chiru (havent read EP8 yet, but I get the gist of what goes down) and the whole "Author Theory" thing, I can swallow that, sometimes, pieces can act in a new or unexpected way, so long as it's "possible for that person". To get to the meat of it, alot of things seem to happen, and when you question the motivations for a person's actions, well, we speculate, and some speculations are pretty good. But sometimes it has to be handwaved as "Well, that's what they decided to do. Because." I'd probably accept that fully if not for Evatrice's EP3 "LULZ BRAINWASHED WITH MY MAGIC" move against Kyrie. I can definitely see why Kumasawa said that Evatrice was using a "rare move" that Beato herself "never used". I assume that it to mean that in Yasu's writing, she's just never particularly concerned for rationally explaining (i.e, properly foreshadowing) every single piece of contradictory behavior. I assume further, since it's only brought up by Evatrice that once, that issues of "Why did character X do this silly thing?" are never a main theme in future writings, either. Currently on the mind - Shkanon shenanigans in EP6. Actions that don't seem to make sense, and golden truth everywhere. It's just interesting to me because in the Question Arcs, Battler spent alot of time trying to reason out these things, whereas Will's solutions of only deciphering the specific Twilight Tricks leave those kinda of questions to a sort of "Well, whatever fills in the blank best for you." I dunno. It just feels like we'd be an eternity trying to reach a consensus on the depths of Genji's passive-aggressive multi-task-trolling. |
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It could happen because after all, it was all in Yasu's writing.
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2011-02-06, 06:08 | Link #3011 | |
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2011-02-06, 07:00 | Link #3012 | |
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2011-02-06, 07:50 | Link #3013 | |||
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If he had really cared Yasu happiness he would have given him to a normal family, and if she and Kinzo wanted to meet later he could arrange the thing. There was no need to do that Epitaph thing because it's not like Kinzo could know if she solved that alone or not. He's a loyal servant fixated with loyalty devoted to the family head and he would go along with anything Kinzo said. How many times did he lie to Natsuhi and the others about Yasu when they asked him? Even in potentially dangerous situations? Last edited by FirstTwilight; 2011-02-06 at 09:02. |
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2011-02-06, 10:05 | Link #3014 | |
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Let me give an alternative scenario. Yasu was planning to fake the fourth through sixth twilights along with George and Gohda. However, while she was out of the room, they were murdered by Culprit X. When she discovered this, she was consumed with guilt, so she smashed the mirror in disgust with herself and then committed suicide by propping a stake up on the dresser and bashing her head against it the way Rika did in Watanagashi-hen. Yasu could have committed suicide this way if she were the culprit too, but it doesn't actually require anyone in the room to be the murderer.
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But a part of her also wants the truth to come out, so part of the real world slips through. Like the First Twilight being faked as part of her innocent murder game; it was only because she did this that the culprit did these Epitaph Twilight killings. Quote:
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He has very good reasons to lie about Yasu; his existence is not supposed to be known and bringing the subject up isn't wise during the actual murders. "Hey, Natsuhi, I know you're paranoid and trigger-happy, but you know that baby you tried to kill? It's alive and also the product of Kinzo raping his daughter he had with a mistress and also they're the proper head of the famil-OW WHY'D YOU SHOOT ME?" The Epitaph was necessary in that it was "proof" of a miracle. Genji, by his own admission, left things up to fate to decide.
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2011-02-06, 14:46 | Link #3016 | |
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A broader question is why Battler wouldn't look very hard, or what's up with Gohda's positioning.
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2011-02-06, 16:10 | Link #3017 | |
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It's not even something we need to accept for the mystery to work... |
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2011-02-06, 18:56 | Link #3018 | |
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He started examining Shannon's corpse but was knocked away by Rosa. She said it would be best to wait for the police to arrive and leave the examination of the crimescene to the professionals. This is still something that leads me to believe that Rosa actually at least knew something about the murders or Yasu's game during EP2. She was in the chapel and accepted Beatrice (the scene during the EP7 tea party is highly reminiscent of that) and later she was the one keeping Battler from closely examining Shannon or even the locked room she was in... |
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Of course, then I remember Erika's EP6 shenanigans, and my head explodes. |
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Fantasy and Meta are not the same thing. I'm getting tired of having to explain this to people.
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