2007-06-14, 02:53 | Link #81 |
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Still no proof. Just more ranting. Back to ignore you go. Even if it did well in those 2 countries, it aired in how many more? at least 4 or 5 more countries. How did it do there? What did they see?
Before you starting slinging insults, I'd try to provide a coherent argument with facts that can be proved (not facts that you've made up) in English first. Calling me high is probably not your best defense. I read my posts and they make sense. Most people thnk they make sense. Your posts look like ramblings of someone who's been sniffing too much glue. |
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besides these are countries that gs has been seen. besides gsd is still not yet shown in u.s. tv yet despite the 1st country to show gsd in english was the phils.
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2007-06-14, 03:22 | Link #83 |
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Goddamn it's like talking to a brick wall. Didn't I already say it aired in 4 or 5 other countries outside the Phils and the US? READ MY POSTS PROPERLY.
To put it simply 1. I WANT YOU TO PROVIDE TV VIEWER RATINGS OF COUNTRIES THAT GOT THE EDITED AND UNEDITED VERSION 2. I WANT YOU TO PROVIDE ME PROOF OF WHAT VERSION THAT THESE COUNTRIES THESE 5 or 6 OUTSIDE OF THE US AND PHILLIPINES GOT. DID THEY GET THE EDITED OR UNEDITED. 3. YOU'VE SAID IT DID WELL OVERSEAS. SHOW ME TV RATINGS TO PROVE IT DID WELL. I want to know how you can come up with a conclusion the FCC has a vendetta against GS. Considering there are other countries on that list with much stricter regulations than the US. Why am I even bothering arguing this with you? You don't even live in the US |
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excuse but the reason gs series is doing great oversea besides how can i find oversea ratings besides there many gs fans that one of the many reasons gs is doing fine in the oversea. but in u.s. tv they just ruin gs with their edits & censors so they can focus on other tv shows with high ratings. to me i think that FCC don't have the guts to show gs in unedited version cause it's more omg than the other shows. so it's the FCC & u.s. tv that are guilty for screwing gs in the u.s.
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2007-06-14, 04:15 | Link #85 | |
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You CAN'T prove that it failed in the US with the edited version and rocked in other countries with the unedited WITHOUT being able to present the ratings. |
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2007-06-14, 08:04 | Link #86 | |
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And in Canada, Gundam Seed was popular enough that it's basically never been off the air since the original broadcast. Moreover, YTV more or less embraced Destiny largely due to the popularity of Seed. Currently, it's running in Seed's old timeslot. Even without any ratings statistics, it's rather obvious that Gundam Seed performed much better on YTV than on the Cartoon Network. While it may be unfair to pin all of the difference on Williams Street's edits, it's the one tangible difference between the two broadcasts. By the way, note that YTV simply doesn't release their ratings information. That said, D-KLAC is sort of wrong in blaming the FCC for the edits. FCC has no jurisdiction over cable networks, so they couldn't have been directly responsible. Instead, the Cartoon Network's BS&P, Williams Street, and Bandai's insistence on a Y7 rating are much more likely to be the culprits. By the way, if anyone really needs to know about the ratings and such, I suggest that you ask Pepperidge nicely. His website is basically about this kind of stuff, so he'll probably know far more than anyone else here.
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2007-06-14, 11:07 | Link #87 |
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See you have a coherent argument and you make valid and excellent points. However, I want KLAC to provide some substance to his points rather than "BLAH BLAH BLAH GS ROOLZ EVERYTHING ELSE SUXXORS> IT"S SO l33t THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE SCARED" WTF kind of discussion point is that? It's baseless and unsubstantiated. |
2007-06-14, 21:07 | Link #88 |
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That's true, but you'd be better off attacking D-KLAC's points (such as they are). The suggestion that the Cartoon Network wanted Seed to fail so that they could focus on more popular shows is particularly easy to criticize.
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I guess what I am getting at is if a show airs on tv there is a greater chance the anime will be in stores too . . . . . I could be dead wrong but it makes sense in a way. When it gets aired on tv it promotes the show and then the dvd sales go along with it. I am such an idiot for missing Gundam Seed when it was on tv. I was so busy back then and I really regret missing that show, I have yet to see even an episode of Seed or Seed Destiny . . . . |
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I'm also of the belief that showing a *finished* 50 episode anime series in a "one episode per week" schedule is a bad idea, by the way. At least worse than showing it two to three times a week - which is, of course, difficult to do without it first being a success. |
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2007-06-15, 13:53 | Link #93 | |
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True, but since English is my second language and I was very tired when I wrote it I have at least half of an excuse ^^.
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2007-06-15, 16:04 | Link #94 | |
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Anyways it is reasurring to know that Cartoon network was not trying to make the show fail, it's just a big bummer Gundam is not aired on tv as much as it used to be. |
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2007-06-15, 22:18 | Link #95 |
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hello does anyone forgot this dumb sabatoge that u.s. & FCC did to gs the infamous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Guns
geez here the things that u.s. tv did to gs United States On April 17, 2004, an edited version of the English dub premiered at 10:30 p.m. on Cartoon Network's Toonami block, which ran on Saturday nights. On October 23, 2004, it was moved to 1:00 a.m. on Saturdays starting with episode 27 due to below average ratings. The majority of the series was aired with a TV-Y7, apparently, at the insistence of Bandai who were desperately trying to push the new Gundam SEED toy line. However, since most retailers had stopped carrying the Gundam line due to over-saturation from the G Gundam series, this soon became a lost cause. Only the final episode was given the TV-PG-SV rating rather than the usual TV-Y7 rating. Things that were edited out on Cartoon Network include mature content (e.g. most references to the sexual relationship between Kira and Flay — though the initial scene presenting this was left partially intact); scenes of intense combat violence (e.g. almost all shots of pilots, including main characters, in their cockpits before having their machines destroyed); cold-blooded or brutal murders that are non-mobile suit related (e.g. Siegel Clyne getting shot by ZAFT soldiers loyal to Rau Le Creuset and Patrick Zala); all references to the fact that the "Living CPUs" need to take performance enhancing drugs; and most notoriously, handguns being sloppily and inconsistently transformed into neon-colored lasers, dubbed "Disco Guns" by fans, for the majority of the show's run. Also, there was little to no use of the words "kill" or "die" in the middle of the series airing, with the phrase "taking his/her life" or some variant of the phrase in the place of either word. In one instance during the shows desert arc, references to a character being an arms dealer were removed, turning the character into a "water dealer". Since most of the series had been edited by Williams Street before broadcast, Cartoon Network changed very little in terms of content allowance. However, the airings of the final two episodes were left mostly unedited, with only a few elements being affected — namely the guns used by Muruta Azrael, Patrick Zala, and one of the ZAFT soldiers (which was given neon-colored lights in certain but not all of the image frames), airbrushing the naked Flay's body in the final episode to avoid showing her cleavage, reducing the amount of blood shown, editing the character's lines to remove either inappropriate language or controversial lines, and the removal or altering of flashbacks of graphic assassinations. having nearly every ep tv-y7 are you kidding me besides gs series was for the teen viewers & if was unedited it would be tv-pg or tv-14!!! but those u.s. tv & FCC backstab gs when they screwed everything with censors, edits, & disco guns cause that was a low blow of those no good u.s. tv & fcc did to gs cause they were afraid that japanese anime is dominating the u.s. cartoons so they want to screw anime by using gs as an example. cause of that gs was really robbed by u.s. tv & FCC & if they did the same thing to gsd then get ready for the RIOT!!!
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By the way, I think that most anime broadcasts in other countries will count more as first run shows than anything else. And as you brought up earlier, it's much harder for a television channel to commit more than the minimum time on a show that's an unknown quantity. That way, their risk is minimized if it turns out to be unsuccessful. Quote:
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Moreover, on the Cartoon Network, their domestic cartoon shows generally perform much better than their anime offerings, so there's absolutely no reason for a conspiracy either. Heck, the only Gundam show to be much of a success on American airwaves was Gundam Wing, and that wrapped up six years ago. Every other Gundam show since has been relatively lacklustre, so why would they pick Gundam Seed, of all shows, to sabotage? By the way, Gundam Wing was originally shown by the Cartoon Network in both an edited and an uncut formats. The changes in the broadcast standards for television means that this can no longer be done. Now, this is where you can blame the FCC, but they're only very peripherally involved. Seed was unsuccessful, so it's likely that the Cartoon Network isn't even interested in Seed Destiny.
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geez gs was on cn but now gs is a free agent anime series maybe another network will bring back gs this time gs unedited vesion with gsd. cause i don't trust cn u.s. version of their doing to animes.
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Another problem is that Bandai's mistakes has already poisoned the toy stores into believing that Gundam toys simply don't sell in the U.S., and they have perhaps done the same thing to Gundam as a broadcast show. Bandai has come out to say that they were trying to develop a Gundam show that would appeal more to American audiences, and I have a feeling that Gundam 00 is that very show. Only time will tell, but it's likely to be the next show that will be broadcast in the future. Hopefully, Bandai will get it right this time, because it might will dictate the fate of Gundam in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.
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It's possible that if Cartoon Network or some other channel (that came with the usual cable package) had shown the Gundam series from first to most recent order instead of throw out what they thought was good in a back and forth manner, it may have had a chance of vitality. Of course, I don't believe that this was the only reason Gundam may be suffering in regards to television broadcasting. Others have also brought up other reasons, so I won't repeat what they've said.
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