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View Poll Results: Guilty Crown - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 22 | 11.58% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 7.37% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 26 | 13.68% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 14.21% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 39 | 20.53% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 15 | 7.89% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 14 | 7.37% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 9 | 4.74% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 5 | 2.63% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 19 | 10.00% | |
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2012-03-23, 22:57 | Link #161 |
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So, the finale came as it went.
I do agree that the most impressive about this final episode were both the visuals and the insert songs; I almost felt if I was diving right into the world of TRON but much more extraordinarily. But, I do have my share of complaints: 1. Gai's reasons for wanting Mana were let's just say long-winded to me. 2. I felt from this final episode that Gai was casted into the most gloomy role of all the characters: the victim. Plagued with guilt for not being able to do as Shu by rejecting his fate and trying to change Mana's. - It almost felt like whatever Shu chose to be, then subsequently Gai was casted into the opposite role with no choice in the matter. 3. The fights as stunning as they were executed were brief due to the pacing. 4. The pacing of the episode itself felt quick and rushed, and by the time it reaches the epilogue we don't know what happened with the rest of the survivors. Spoiler:
5. If I understood correctly, as long as there's evolution then Mana cannot be saved, and she's forever trapped in a vicious, never-ending cycle. She's forever to be the bringer of the Apocalypse to the human race. When the time comes for the next Apocalypse, Mana will be reborned in another body and attempt to trigger the calamity. Another hero will unexpectedly rise and save humanity due to realizing love from others, thus stopping Mana again. She'll be sent to the pit beyond the Apocalypse waiting again to reenact her role in the Apocalypse after the next one. - I disagree with Gai that by just accepting Mana she'll be stopped. Recall that when Shu shuns her for a second time, that she will never ever forgive him even if he apologizes. - I feel that Mana after all wants Shu and likes to be with him, and Gai will never ever be able to fill for Shu in Mana's heart. - That's why I believe that she'll come back reborned for the Next Apocalypse. 6. Shu stopping the Fourth Apocalypse was just another delay for Daath's agenda, because no matter how much humanity as either a whole or as individual resists nobody can escape the forces of universe: evolution, stagnation, rebirth, and death. Spoiler:
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2012-03-23, 23:51 | Link #162 |
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* The Gespenst has energy shields! Where the hell did that technology come from? * Argo manages to hold his own against Endlaves using a large gatling gun. WTF, how is he not getting swarmed and killed when he can barely lift the thing, and why do people use Endlaves if they suck that much? * Mana's song/dance number crystallizes presumably billions of people around the world, but the UN troops and other people attacking the tower don't. * Right, and Ayase's Endlave control pod can hover too. * Arisa's Void was cracking to machine guns despite being able to block a barrage of anti-air (ship) missiles. Really? * IIRC, Kenji was a murderer and bomber. Where did he learn to hack better than Tsugumi? * Ayase's Endlave has bits. Once again, where the hell did that technology come from? And where the hell did the Undertakers get it from? * "Memories inside the crystals?" This is a rip-off from FF9. * Gai's plan was a huge, risky, and ridiculous gambit. Relying on Shu, of all people, to come finish the job after taking away his arm and his power, nearly killing him, and somehow knowing that he would get back the Power of Kings? * "A few years later." What, were the writers too chicken to give a definite time necessary to rebuild the city? (I estimate at least ten years!) * Shu ends up blind and with only memories of Inori, no actual girl. Wow, the writers must hate the guy. And the epilogue neglects characters like Daryl, Argo, the Undertaker strategist guy, Arisa, etc.
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2012-03-24, 07:47 | Link #163 | ||
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I see what you did thar Anyway regarding the rebuilding part, judging from the magnitude 9.0 Tohoku earthquake back in 2011 and their progress thus far, I guess it was a safe estimate to the writers? |
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2012-03-24, 10:40 | Link #164 |
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Well, the Tohoku earthquake mostly wrecked small buildings and relatively flimsy houses along the coast. In this episode as the tower collapsed we see dozens of multi-story office buildings uprooted and tilted at angles of ~30 degrees, which means the foundation is toast and the buildings probably total losses. Going by what NYC's Ground Zero is like (still not done rebuilding!), and the inevitable bureaucratic nightmares as GHQ investigates and withdraws, I estimated ten years at least.
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2012-03-24, 12:47 | Link #165 | |
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2012-03-24, 13:53 | Link #166 | |
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2012-03-24, 15:18 | Link #168 | |
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If you ask me, the entire political thing with Japan's independence was only significant in the first half of the series; it was quickly cast aside as being unimportant in the second half. By comparison, Spoiler for Contrast with Code Geass:
For Guilty Crown, what was important was that they made it clear how Shu and at least some of his friends ended up. They accomplished that.
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2012-03-24, 17:36 | Link #169 | |
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Your criticism is somewhat misplaced. The writers missed many, many critical pieces of information and left many things unexplained. What happened to the characters at the end is not an aspect that is rushed. I can sympathize with your position. But, really, the party scene captured what happened to the group succinctly. |
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2012-03-24, 18:18 | Link #171 | |
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The remaining funeral parlor members (Argo, Shibungi, Kurachi), Haruka, Arisa and Daryl. That's a hefty amount of named characters who didn't get an epilogue, especially the "least popular ones" who were left alive for no "real reason" yet didn't get any screen time of what they are currently doing. Also, even the "main characters" being shown, you have a "very vague" idea of their new life in fact (I can't tell if Kanon is engaged to Yahiro or not): you don't even know what they actually are doing or anything, past the mere "happy mood" in celebrating Hare's birthday. Worse: they again skipped Shu's predicament. They already accelerated his grief over Hare's death, but in this case, they literally skipped how he grieved and coped Inori's death. You can't exactly call that epilogue as fulfilling in the character department, when they just show how they look like just few years later, without much afterthought.
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2012-03-24, 18:20 | Link #172 | ||
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2012-03-24, 18:47 | Link #173 |
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In fairness, I think that for some secondary characters they may have wanted to leave their eventual fates unknown and open-ended so that the viewer can imagine their own preferred ending for them (or perhaps to leave possibilities open for a possible GC sequel, who knows?)
Daryl and Arisa were two characters that were particularly polarizing, if not predominantly hated. I can see some benefit in not showing explicitly happy endings for either of them.
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2012-03-24, 18:57 | Link #174 | ||
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Sure, they could have explicitly shown all of that, but what would it have mattered, really? I'm not really understanding why people are upset that things weren't stated outright. If they had ended the series without the "a few years later..." scene, then people would be rightfully outraged that the ending was vague. That wouldn't even be a true ending, really. They show who survived, they show that a few of the side characters who survived are now doing normal-life stuff (from which you can assume that the rest are similar), and most importantly, they show what became of Shu and Inori. Does it really matter if you know what each character went into as a profession, or who they married? It might be fun to know, sure, but it wouldn't change the impact of the story. Quote:
(As a disclaimer, that's just my opinion; you're entitled to yours, we'll probably never change each other's opinions, and so on.)
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2012-03-24, 18:59 | Link #175 | |
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2012-03-24, 19:01 | Link #176 | |
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a freakin robot that had little focus got an even more happy ending than any of the characters, where even the important ones are hardly mentioned at all. the writers really like to abuse their shoe a lot... |
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If Gai or Keido had survived then yeah, I'd have expected to see one or the other or both carted off to the Hague or something like that. But as for mere soldiers/front-line operatives? Nah, I don't see the big deal there. I'm with Ledgem here. Quote:
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Arisa, I felt, had reasonably consistent characterization, and was an interesting character, but not a terribly sympathetic one. She served a good role in the story, but I don't see any significant missed opportunity in not giving a concrete end for either her or Daryl. I think that it's pretty clear that some of the characters that garnered so much viewer attention during the anime (Daryl, Arisa, Souta) just weren't that important to the GC writing staff. They were key secondary characters that had important roles to play in the plot, but that's it. They weren't all that important in and of themselves, like Shu, Inori, and Gai were. Ultimately, those were the three most important characters of the show.
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2012-03-24, 19:26 | Link #178 | |
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ahem, in terms of importance in the overall story and shown relevance, daryl and arisa deserve mention. doesnt matter their rank as soldiers, they are important characters who helped drpve the story to where it is right now. Quote:
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daryl was built up to be important, but this ep just dashed all of the chances. if he was shown in here somewhere, either in jail or part of shoe's group through tsugumi, then it would be quite important as to show that he is a nice guy after all those killings he did. there is little to no interpretation for their fates. they just went and poof. leaving too many things open to interpretation would mean I can say that arisa is now the head of her family and is living the happy life since we dont have any thing about what happened to her. yes I know its not really allowed to use CG as a comparison but hey they could have at least shown the other minor characters end with pictures. they even had time to show the funnel robot living happily with a family. |
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2012-03-24, 19:34 | Link #180 | |
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Gai, Keido, Mana, and Segai are all dead, some of them as a direct result of their criminal actions. All the top players within Keido's organization are dead. I will say it would have been more rewarding to see Haruka shoot or arrest Keido instead of him turning himself into Apocalypse crystals. I'll concede that much to you.
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