2010-10-27, 00:04 | Link #2041 |
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@Yot-chan I think that's really because none of the regular members of this forum actually hate Ranka. We're just frustrated with her behavior. I can't speak for others but I personally started the series actually liking Ranka, however her actions in later episodes lead me to become disenfranchised with her, it didn't help that Ranka wasn't really shown to actually spare any thought for her loved ones, even in a time of crisis. It just made her seem too out of touch with the reality of her own world. I'm really happy to hear that her character improved and I wish that my movie torrent would download faster but it still stuck at 48% and I started downloading it yesterday.
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2010-10-27, 02:29 | Link #2042 | |
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And, no, of course I don't hate Ranka. I pity da lil' fool.
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2010-10-27, 03:57 | Link #2043 |
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I've been wondering why Ranka's phone was changed color for the film. Do you guys think it could be because she uses it as a microphone in the last scene, and they didn't want it to clash with her green hair?
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2010-10-27, 07:51 | Link #2045 | |
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2010-10-27, 11:16 | Link #2047 | |
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First, if she had recovered enough memory to realize that she was the key to the conflict, then she would've known that removing herself from Frontier would lead the Vajra away from the fleet (if it weren't for that meddling Grace). They have no reason to attack if she weren't there. Second (and maybe I'm misremembering), but her singing could also affect the Vajra POSITIVELY as well, right? She knew this in the final episode, so she may have known this in episode 21. In which case, going to the Vajra and communicating with them would be the best way out of the conflict...again, if it weren't for Grace and her control over Brera. Again, I'm not saying this was necessarily the case, but I don't think there's any evidence that contradicts it. Again, it all boils down to how much memory you think Ranka had recovered, and how much credit you give her. |
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2010-10-27, 11:28 | Link #2048 | |
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But, quite honestly, that wasn't even the important point in the post which led us here, the point I tried to made there was that she didn't state this ( peace talks to the Vajra ) to Alto as her main motivation for leaving Frontier. To him she said that it was about taking Ai-kun back to his people, which is an incredibly dense thing to say to someone whose best friend was just killed by that very same race.
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2010-10-27, 12:05 | Link #2049 | |
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And anyways, she didn't say that it was SOLELY about taking Ai-kun back to his people, she said "At least [せめて, "semete"] I want to take Ai-kun back to his people" which indicates (in both English and Japanese) that it's ONE of her goals, but not the most important. Again: "I've been able to piece together small fragments of my past. It's scary, but I have to find out about it no matter what. That's why I will go. And I want to at least bring Ai-kun back to where his people are." The last sentence is a total non-sequitur unless she has more planned. And I contend that's it's a possibility that she would've been successful if Grace hadn't intervened. But at this point, only Leon knew of Grace's involvement, yes? (I'll grant you the point that she didn't communicate her plans well to Alto. Like, AT ALL. Trying to calm him down by getting him to make a paper airplane was a strategy that totally failed.) |
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She may not have been sure HOW it would affect the Vajra (although she'd gotten a pretty big hint that if she projects pain and sadness, they'll go on a killing spree), but it's pretty clear that she knew she could affect them one way or another. And again, if she knew she was what they were looking for, removing herself from Frontier is the best, most selfless thing she could do. She shouldn't HAVE to spell it out to Alto, really. It's clear to everyone that the Vajra are reacting to her, and her alone. But Alto's dense in a lot of ways, so I guess I can give him a pass here... |
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2010-10-27, 13:42 | Link #2052 | |
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Where did you get that I denied that she knew she would affect the Vajra positively or negatively from that? I will say, though, that she definitely could not be 100% sure what the Vajra were looking for. Otherwise whole sequences of the last episodes ( especially her giving her big exposition about the Vajras motives in episode 25 ) would not make sense.
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2010-10-27, 13:48 | Link #2053 | |
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My point being, if she knows she can affect them, then it's not a suicide mission or a fool's errand. It's the best hope Frontier has. How so? |
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2010-10-27, 13:57 | Link #2054 |
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Actually it would make perfect sense. Wouldn't the sequences in the final episodes reveal Ranka's motivations for making those decisions in earlier episodes? In which most people were confused by when Ranka decided to leave.
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2010-10-27, 14:13 | Link #2055 | |
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2010-10-27, 14:36 | Link #2056 | |
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We have to take into account that Ranka did not have a clue about Graces and Leons manipulations at the time of her departure. Neither did anyone tell her that the last attack on Frontier had degraded the bio-system in such a way that long-term survival of the colony was impossible. It is basically certain that she was not able to infer that on her own, since she never displayed any knowledge about the intricacies of the Frontier bio-system. Therefore, looking at it from a perspective of what Rankas knowledge status at the point of her departure was, trying to work out what the problems were with her failed attempt at calming the Vajra with the military would have been her best option. In that light, Rankas departure seems rash and impulsive. Given that there were other underlying issues ( a.) Ranka not wanting to sing anymore to protect Frontier, a thing she agreed to do; b.) Ranka realizing that Alto "did never hear her song" and wanting to put distance between the two of them ), it's really not hard to find major faults with what she did. There were several sequences after her departure where she gets more complete flashbacks from her past, including one where she fully realizes that it was her song which instigated the Vajra on the 117th. This means that she only had fragments of her memories. That logically infers that she left Frontier with incomplete information, making it a crap shoot. If those scenes would simply have been her asserting that she had regained those memories by the time of her departure from Frontier, yes. But that is not what happened. Look at the beginning of episode 24. It is perfectly clear that Ranka had regained those memories just in that moment. She acted upon her incomplete memories when she left Frontier in episode 21.
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2010-10-27, 15:16 | Link #2057 | |
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In the conversation between Alto and Ranka prior to her departure she says, "everyone wants...to live free don't they?" One can infer that she is referring to both the race of Humanity and the Vajra since she realized at the very least that the Vajra were a part of her life since childhood. Her motivations aren't as unjustified as you think it is.
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2010-10-27, 15:33 | Link #2058 | |
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She also had, in episode 20, gotten her singing under control enough to lure the Vajra to Island-3. So she would have had reason to suspect that her singing would not necessarily be out of control forever. Which is another reason for her to stay and try to work out what could be done with the Frontier military. But, as I pointed out one post above, her reasons for leaving weren't necessarily only motivated by one longshot at peace with the Vajra, but also other underlying motivations to put distance between herself and her former life. -- *edit* On an tangentially related matter, may I say how totally weird Rankas short sob-attack in Breras breast was in episode 20? She's like "Alto never heard my song, waaaaaah! <beat> Okay, I'm good.". Kinda shows how deeply she loved hime-sama.
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But certainly, no LESS uncertain than your inferences.
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My feeling is that she MUST have known that, AND she must have known that the Vajra were after her (and not the fleet), or else she wouldn't have left. |
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