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it limits the oxygen inside their lungs so that the body of them is forced to shut down.... it "scans"/"observes" the mind/emotions of the humans which are inside 'his' range and than affects them via stopping the necassary amount of oxygen.....it doesnt effect the mind furthermore: as afar as i remember: he touched a anti-skill member who was affected by D.P. and he didnt woke up... |
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2014-05-11, 03:18 | Link #2302 | |
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vento didnt lost her DP, she only needs to recreate the cross which served as core for that spell fiamma cant control his HR, it is like othinus 50/50 magic but far more unstable... if he activates it, it will run berserk and create a huguh amount of destruction.... acqua sisnt wanted to touch his IB because it would temporary stop his abilitys, saint+ divine mother.... well, would this be a h2h i think a human acqua would still win agaisnt touma.... |
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2014-05-15, 17:36 | Link #2303 |
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Hi, I'm new in this community, and I was searching for a place to discuss all my absurd theories about Toaru and it's universe, so here I am. I'm not very sure if my ideas should stick here on this topic or in the one about theories, so I'll just split my post in the two threads. It's kinda of a spoiler, so if you haven't read the ones from NT10 don't open it.
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Thanks for those of you who had the strength to read all this crazy stuff that I wrote, you're free to ask if something is not clear (I know I've been a lot messy) and just don't take this as an absolute true but like an idea born by a twisted mind. You're also free to insult me if this makes you feel better, for now I'll just go to sleep since it's late night were I live. Tommorrow, if there is someone who wants to know more (I doubt it), I'll explain further my ideas in the Theories topic. |
2014-05-17, 04:07 | Link #2306 |
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im not really sure...
because of the things i know about the HR: 1. it gives the vessel (the body (fiamma)) a hugh amount of power 2. it allows him to use the miracles related to the right hand who was showed in christian legends 3. it has a time limit because fiamma cant control the output (seems to be related to magical knowledge, with index's help he was able to masster his HR) similar: 1. both are special right hands 2. both are fueled by external sources - HR: by the legends of the right hand + the believers of them - IB: the wish of magicians for a undistorted world 3. both cant do anything alone - HR: cant do anything if their isnt malice/hate around - IB: cant do anything if their isnt anythign supernatural around of course, this depents on the case that ollerus's explanation of IB is the truth.... => in the end i still think that fiamma's HR is part of the "magic only" category, the same with othinus (even if she is a god, she didnt really reached a level of "over science and magic") PS: i need to add another category, divine (over science and magic): aiwass (maybe) |
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2014-05-22, 01:30 | Link #2308 | |
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Anyhow, much like tree sap and blood, while they are both similar in nature and function, they are ultimately different. They cannot be converted into each other like ice and water. That's why Telesma is hard to control. Mana is easy to influence because it comes from you, but Telesma is an alien power that won't automatically obey your will. You have to use your Mana to indirectly control the Telesma, which adds a layer of difficulty to the whole thing. If you want, I can bring up the paragraphs of NT2 that prove this, but I'm feeling lazy right now and would rather not spend the effort. It's all in the lectures Birdway gave on magic. I even quoted some of the relevant passages before. As for classifications, I don't think you can clearly split all of the powers in Index into clear categories. Magic and Esper powers are the two big categories, to the point where all the others are dwarfed in comparison, but the world of TAMNI is vast. There are probably dozens of unique powers out there that don't fit in any category but their own. Trying to fit all these unclassifiable powers into one big "third side" would be terribly reductionist.
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2014-05-22, 15:47 | Link #2310 |
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Now, that I've finished NT10 and I have some spare time, I can finally reply. I've made two systems in my mind after reading the last novel, one that I don't like but which is probably most true, and the one that I like the most but it's more about speculation. I'll explain first the fromer, then the latter (The speech also contains things from NT10, so you haven't read the novel yet, please don't read the following text if you don't want to get spoiled).
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2014-05-23, 17:18 | Link #2313 | |
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About Aiwass, I think he said artificial angel and dragon were more appropriate than angel. |
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2014-05-24, 22:14 | Link #2316 | |
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So Kamachi mentioned something in passing in the afterword that is actually quite important when it comes to speculation about future events:
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I can only think of 2 scenarios: 1. A sensory ability. Despite this being an easy choice, when you consider that Kamijou's PP is highly reliant on the data and information he gathers using his senses, it becomes a good fit for him. 2. An ability that only activates when in presence of and affects supernatural phenomena. Similar to the Imagine Breaker so it could be an extension of its power. As much as Kamijou's fights are the best in the series, I feel like with the conclusion of the Gremlin Saga, Kamijou has probably reached the limits of what one can reasonably expect him to do. While his fighting style has become somewhat brutal I would like a new power on top of that. But not one that replaces his current fighting style but one that perfectly compliments it; thus the above two scenarios. Any thoughts?
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2014-05-24, 22:26 | Link #2317 | |
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Explanation: Makes Touma look like he can't adapt to normal situations. To me it makes me feel like all Touma's good for is the Supernatural but thrust him into something without any of those and he's a fish out of water..... are you serious? Maybe he should explain himself better or something. Is it that if he defeats a normal human with ease makes it bland? What does he mean without thinking? is it with guns? unarmed combat? I think the writer is just being lazy so he doesn't have to develop Touma in that area, which by all right's Touma should be able to handle. Define without thinking. That's what's got me the most miffed about.
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No I'll say it again if Touma can't adapt with all the experience he's had then I'm calling it a Diablo's Ex Machina asspull.
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2014-05-24, 23:12 | Link #2320 |
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Im actually going to take Kamachi's side on this. Kamijou has never been able to fight with multiple people at the same time. He can definitely win a 1vs1, take caution in a 1vs2 but runs away in a 1vs3 or more.
Though NT7 can be used as a clue to how Kamachi may want Kamijou to develop. He can still oneshot many of the heroes he comes across but the PP he uses to survive is only effective in a 1vs1 fight. But none of his skills are effective against a higly experienced professional with a gun. The fact that Kamijou is effective against certain kinds of opponents and abysmal against others serves as a good balance for his capabilities. I'd rather him be nicely balanced than be an overpowered male power fantasy. As for the thinking aspect; Kamijou has never had an easy fight (minus Mikoto lol). He has always had to rely on his critical reasoning skills and effective use of his IB to win with the PP being the greatest expression of this. The PP being the most valuable ability that Kamijou has is entirely in line with the themes that the Toaru Series wants to promote and is built on. If the thinking disappears, then the series is as good as over. I know exactly what he means.
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