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Not to mention that completely "good" and entirely "bad" characters tend to bore me. I mean, I really like Rivalz, for example, but even he had his faults. I didn't see him preaching human rights, after all. xD Quote:
Light was just too much of a sociopath and a maniac for my taste. xD Quote:
I don't believe in things like "good" and "evil", and even though Lelouch's methods were highly questionable, he was never a bad person at heart. But I like hearing about different opinons. I mean, I'm a Clovis fangirl... xD Quote:
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2008-12-19, 16:02 | Link #2962 | |
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Charles wasn't the least bit sympathetic, sure his mother died but that gives no reason for Charles to go around massacring millions just because he believes that the world operates by Social Darwinism and he wants to restart the world through some instrumentality thing. Don't confuse Fruedian Excuse or Well Intentioned Extremist with Anti-Villain. Charles and Hilter where well intentioned Extremist, the KoR (for the most part) where Anti-villains, and the Britannia army was your typical Evil Army. If you saw the story point from Britannia, all you would get would be an army massacring innocent people without giving a rats ass. There is no way that you could ever make the Britannians the good guys because they are clearly not. If Taniguchi and Okouchi want me to believe that Britannia had its good points, than they failed miserably. Compare the various massacres in Code Geass, with the Ishval Massacre in the Fullmetal Alchemist manga. In FMA you constantly got people who clearly state that they hate being in Ishval, they hate killing the Ishvalans, and they want to stop. During the course of the massacre half of officer deaths where attributed to soldiers killing their superiors because they could no longer take their orders. Even in the anime you have the scene where Roy almost commits suicide. In Code Geass at no point in time does anyone question their orders, they just kill Japanese. Some even seem to enjoy it like the soldiers from the first episode. One of the themes of Fullmetal Alchemist is that the average soldier joins the army because they want to protect civilians. Code Geass has no such themes, and Britannia is nothing more than your stereotypical evil army. If Taniguchi and Okouchi wanted to portray the Britannia army with sympathy than they failed miserably. Of course I don't think they tried to portray the Britannian army as sympathetic since Okouchi wrote both Turn A Gundam, and King Gainer both series that show that both sides are full of good people. I think Okouchi just wanted to show that while Britannia was evil that they where some good people in it, not that Britannia was good. |
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Charles was certainly messed up, and sure as hell not sympathetic, but in my eyes, he was at least not "evil". Because in my book, there is simply no such thing as good and evil in real life and when it comes to many characters, because being evil would - to me - mean that someone sees himself as a bad guy. That's something a truly stereotypical villain might do - someone like Voldemort. Charles, however, thought he was doing humanity a favour. And that makes him grey. A very dark shade of grey that looks exactly like black from afar, but still grey. And as I see it, Mahakala didn't say anything more than that... and maybe not even that. It was a very general notion, after all, except for the Lelouch part. Quote:
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I think they also wanted to show that the system changes the people, and that most need a push instead of a nudge in order to start thinking. That there are only shades of grey, but that it greatly depends on the circumstances how light or dark they are. It reminds me of a study that is supposed to prove that people adapt to their environment, and that everyone has the potential for "evil". ...Anyway, this is just my interpretation, but I'll stick with it.
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2008-12-19, 17:34 | Link #2965 | |
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Code Geass is a true Gray vs Black series in that while Lelouch is not really heroic, his also the only person whose actually competent enough to defeat the Evil Britannia.
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Considering that Britannia was never proven wrong, than I don't see why Britannia's philosophy has to change. Britannia is the most powerful nation, they have all the power, why should they share it with the weaker nations. Its not like Japan has anything Britannia wants. Blaming the system for the actions of individuals is a cop out. "It's not the soldiers fault that they like killing Jaoanese its Charles' fault." |
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2008-12-19, 18:24 | Link #2966 | ||
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Voldemort classifies as "black" to me, though, because as soon as he stopped being "Tom Riddle", he became the most boring stereotype imaginable... he was originally motivated by revenge and, later on, never once stated that he honestly thought he was "doing the right thing". Quote:
But that would require them to determine their values for themselves and make the world their enemy. To do that, most would need a more personal motivation than a general concept of humanism and, even more so, feel that they could change something. Clovis, for example, wanted to bring peace to Area Eleven. If I had only listened to the Sound Drama and never seen the anime, I would have said he was a very admireable man. However, he lacked the motivation to go through with his plans. He probably felt he couldn't change anything, anyway, and therefore stopped caring and adapted to the system, living without any real purpose and no other goal in mind than not being disinherited. I'm not saying that Clovis was a "good guy". But in my opinion, it's a fact that - in a better world or maybe even with a mere push in the right direction - he could have become someone entirely else.
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2008-12-19, 18:39 | Link #2967 |
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Story after the ending, man. Should i be happy or scared to death? http://geass.at.webry.info/200812/article_4.html |
2008-12-19, 18:47 | Link #2968 | |
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2008-12-19, 19:06 | Link #2970 | |
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2008-12-19, 19:08 | Link #2971 | ||
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The problem is that the average Britannian never even thinks about going against Charles, because they believe he is right about Britannians being better than everyone. I don't see how Britannia conquering the world is going to change that point of view. Quote:
Best case scenario is that after the failure of Ougi Japan has descended into a law less anarchy kind of like Mad Max. |
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2008-12-19, 19:16 | Link #2972 | |
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2008-12-19, 19:19 | Link #2973 |
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Hmm. So, the final picture drama is post show eh? To be honest, I would not be surprised if it fairly closely follows the epilouge. I don't recall many picture dramas bringing in truly important information. It's probably something more to help satisfy fans. Is there any word as to how many years have passed for when it will take place?
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2008-12-19, 20:10 | Link #2976 | |
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2008-12-19, 20:13 | Link #2977 | |
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Hopefully its something like Lelouch in the World of C, with Shirley, and Euphemia. That Lelouch is alive, remember what happened with Dream_Traveller and Nunnaly? In other words I make an ass of myself, and then find out that the guide was written by someone like the Janitor at Sunrise, and its not really official, kind of like the "Official" website of Code Geass, that had listed Nunnaly as dead and was apparently made by Biglobe |
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2008-12-19, 20:22 | Link #2978 | |
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2008-12-19, 20:22 | Link #2979 | |
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Lelouch was confirmed as dead, many times, by the writers. |
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