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Sheba · 2019-03-12, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Pretty sure we won't try straight up invasion.

Yeah, we are not in Victorian era anymore when colonial powers could bully the entire world scott free. As much as the boomers who voted Brexit seemed to have done it while clinging on that nostalgia.

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PM is quite clear that the EU cannot be blamed for what happens next if deal defeated - crashing out or delay. “It would be no good blaming the EU, responsibility would lie with this House. We (would have) failed to come together in the national interest.

Theresa May's disguised "Fuck you" to the entire British politics.

source: https://twitter.com/shanaharuhi2/sta...05560944394241

Kakurin · 2019-03-12, 14:24

May's deal has been yet again handed a crushing defeat. Rejected 242 - 391.

James Rye · 2019-03-12, 14:25

And May's deal got defeated yet again by 391 to 242 - 149 votes. Her deal is deader than dead, it's so dead that it's undead again. I really doubt May will try to bring her deal forward for a 3rd time after such devastating loses.

Kakurin · 2019-03-12, 14:27

ERG and DUP are banking on a No Deal Brexit. They probably deem the likelihood that Brexit will be cancelled altogether to be remote.

EDIT: Theresa May has said the Government's default position is a no-deal Brexit if Parliament can't agree to a deal.

James Rye · 2019-03-13, 03:38

Well, that's what the legal text says. Even if parliament says they don't want no deal if they cannot come up with a deal then it's no deal by default.

judasmartel · 2019-03-13, 06:16

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Originally Posted by Sheba

Yeah, we are not in Victorian era anymore when colonial powers could bully the entire world scott free. As much as the boomers who voted Brexit seemed to have done it while clinging on that nostalgia.

Why are they yearning for good old "Long Live Britannia", indeed.

Anh_Minh · 2019-03-13, 06:56

Well, if they could just invade India again, it might solve a lot of their problems, right?

James Rye · 2019-03-13, 16:02

Welp, why lose once to no deal vote when you can lose twice to it in one day? XD

judasmartel · 2019-03-13, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Well, if they could just invade India again, it might solve a lot of their problems, right?

Why stop at India? Might as well invade their former territories around the globe (Hong Kong though? Good luck with that.) and more, including Poland, once known as the "Punching Bag of Europe" and whose citizens they hate the most in Europe right now.

Ithekro · 2019-03-13, 23:44

Britain is about tradition. And Poland is traditionally the German and Russian punching bag of Europe. Britain wouldn't dare step on others traditions if it allows them to play one of their own old traditions. Namely the one where they pay the one not doing the punching to punch the one punching Poland in order to maintain the Balance of Power in Europe.

Oh and rule the waves...and all that. While the new HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales are certainly the largest European aircraft carriers ever built...they still aren't as large as the American nuclear super carriers. And they are still outnumbered five to one by the Americans...but they are buddy-buddy with them.

Arabesque · 2019-03-14, 01:35

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Originally Posted by James Rye

I really doubt May will try to bring her deal forward for a 3rd time after such devastating loses.

Well, Financial Times are reporting that they are voting on it for a third time now, and according to The Independent and a reporter for the BBC that when it fails (again), a fourth vote is planned on the deal before March 20th.

May's deal:

Ithekro · 2019-03-14, 02:49

We shall vote, and vote, and vote again until you relent.

Anh_Minh · 2019-03-14, 02:57

We shall vote on the beaches, we shall vote on the landing grounds, we shall vote in the fields and in the streets, we shall vote in the hills; we shall never surrender.

James Rye · 2019-03-14, 04:41

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Originally Posted by Arabesque

Well, Financial Times are reporting that they are voting on it for a third time now, and according to The Independent and a reporter for the BBC that when it fails (again), a fourth vote is planned on the deal before March 20th.

May's deal:

That's crazy, she can't even unite her own party and there is no way she gets enough Labour MPs to vote for her deal after they all voted it down twice. They will vote it down for a 3rd time as well. She only got a majority of 8 and has 3 or 6 Labours who vote with her. So once 10-20 MPs says no, and there are superhardcore EU-haters in the Tories who want anything but a deal, her deal can never get over the finish line.
The only solution is either a really soft Brexit for which there is a majority in both Tories and Labour and ofc the other smaller parties or hard Brexit which nobody but a small minority wants but is the default solution if there is no deal.

And I think no deal it gonna be. Too much chaos and pride in London to do anything else but that. Only question is when they gonna leave with a Hard Brexit.

SeijiSensei · 2019-03-14, 14:26

May is hoping that as they get closer and closer to the cliff, cooler heads will prevail. I don't see much evidence for that, but then I'm thousands of miles away across an ocean.

Xellos-_^ · 2019-03-14, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Britain is about tradition. And Poland is traditionally the German and Russian punching bag of Europe. Britain wouldn't dare step on others traditions if it allows them to play one of their own old traditions. Namely the one where they pay the one not doing the punching to punch the one punching Poland in order to maintain the Balance of Power in Europe.

only in recent centuries, in the 1500s, 1600s and most of the 1700s it was poland that was kicking the russians around. As for germany, there was wasn't even a real Nation call Germany until the 1800s.

Botan_TM · 2019-03-14, 16:00

Funnily enough, I had a pretty low opinion about Polish politicians here, but these days I think they are not that bad, when compared to whole Brexit circus.

Toukairin · 2019-03-14, 19:36

How is it possible for that old hag to keep her job after being defeated so badly twice? There was a time when a number of Conservative MPs would be prying for the top job if the party's designated leader fails miserably.

Xellos-_^ · 2019-03-14, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Toukairin

How is it possible for that old hag to keep her job after being defeated so badly twice? There was a time when a number of Conservative MPs would be prying for the top job if the party's designated leader fails miserably.

i am guessing because no one want the job till the brexit issue gets resolve.

ganbaru · 2019-03-14, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Toukairin

How is it possible for that old hag to keep her job after being defeated so badly twice? There was a time when a number of Conservative MPs would be prying for the top job if the party's designated leader fails miserably.

Who would be crazy enough to want her place or to want his name associated with this mess.

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2019-03-12, 14:24	Link #1002
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	May's deal has been yet again handed a crushing defeat. Rejected 242 - 391. __________________

2019-03-12, 14:25	Link #1003
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	And May's deal got defeated yet again by 391 to 242 - 149 votes. Her deal is deader than dead, it's so dead that it's undead again. I really doubt May will try to bring her deal forward for a 3rd time after such devastating loses. __________________

2019-03-12, 14:27	Link #1004
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	ERG and DUP are banking on a No Deal Brexit. They probably deem the likelihood that Brexit will be cancelled altogether to be remote. EDIT: Theresa May has said the Government's default position is a no-deal Brexit if Parliament can't agree to a deal. __________________

2019-03-13, 03:38	Link #1005
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Well, that's what the legal text says. Even if parliament says they don't want no deal if they cannot come up with a deal then it's no deal by default. __________________

2019-03-13, 06:56	Link #1007
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Well, if they could just invade India again, it might solve a lot of their problems, right?

2019-03-13, 16:02	Link #1008
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Welp, why lose once to no deal vote when you can lose twice to it in one day? XD __________________

2019-03-13, 23:44	Link #1010
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Britain is about tradition. And Poland is traditionally the German and Russian punching bag of Europe. Britain wouldn't dare step on others traditions if it allows them to play one of their own old traditions. Namely the one where they pay the one not doing the punching to punch the one punching Poland in order to maintain the Balance of Power in Europe. Oh and rule the waves...and all that. While the new HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales are certainly the largest European aircraft carriers ever built...they still aren't as large as the American nuclear super carriers. And they are still outnumbered five to one by the Americans...but they are buddy-buddy with them. __________________

2019-03-14, 02:49	Link #1012
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	We shall vote, and vote, and vote again until you relent. __________________

2019-03-14, 02:57	Link #1013
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	We shall vote on the beaches, we shall vote on the landing grounds, we shall vote in the fields and in the streets, we shall vote in the hills; we shall never surrender.

2019-03-14, 14:26	Link #1015
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2019-03-14, 16:00	Link #1017
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2019-03-14, 19:36	Link #1018
Toukairin Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: A city with a small mountain in the middle	How is it possible for that old hag to keep her job after being defeated so badly twice? There was a time when a number of Conservative MPs would be prying for the top job if the party's designated leader fails miserably.