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Lelouch betrayed Suzaku's trust first and everyone Suzaku cares for. Suzaku believes that Lelouch killed Euphemia and caused the deaths of so many Japanese who dreamt of life in the SAR. Like I said, if I were in Suzaku's shoes, I would've shot Lelouch to death. Quote:
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EDIT FINISHED And as much as I enjoyed this discussion, see you all next week.
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From what else we know about Suzaku, it is entirely a stretch. Quote:
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Just because YOU don't know, doesn't mean HE doesn't know. Now I'm REALLY gone for now.
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2008-04-13, 13:33 | Link #125 | |
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Thats why he keeps going like a broken record about having to change the empire from within (and hasn't actually done a single thing to that goal, mind you) - because he can not allow it to be broken physically. Thats why he detests Zero - he was proving the opposite to be true, and he couldn't allow it to happen. His actions are contradicting his statements because he never has cared much about it ... i am not even sure he cares much whether Britannia changes or not, as long as its not defeated, because that would prove him to be wrong on all ends in murdering his father. I am sure he would like to see that change ... but i don't think he is going to cry a bucket even if nothing changes. His position now doesn't give him any more power to that goal than being a simple grunt. Perhaps its even the opposite. He still wags his tail and kills whomever he is told to, because its his job. I doubt he has even thought much about changing anything, because he can't change nothing. He is not in the position to do so, and will never be. I don't think there even is such a position, short of emperor himself. And not like decades (generations?) of britannian mindset is going to change because one guy stepped up to the throne and said "lets play nice now". His supposed goal is not rational at all, and the way he goes about it is a logical failure ... or would be, because i believe his primary concern is to ensure Britannia's invincibility in order to avoid confronting the truth about him being wrong in killing his father.
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His best chance to start change is by gaining one of the highest and most influencable positions avaliable.. he obviously thought that part through, to catch Zero and to bring him there for a promotion... i guess he thought about that after Euphie died because it sure didnt sound like he was making everything up when he stood in front of the Emperor.. it is probably also the reason why he was heartless in that scene because it was something that he had to do no matter what.. even if Zero is Lelouch he wouldnt back down from his decision because if he were to let Zero go then in Suzaku's mind nothing would change and there would only remain fighting and killing (then the Zero ideology continiues with the methods he hates so badly and the world would be driven into deeper despair because of the destruction of Britannia hence that the murde rof his father owuld be useless completely)
boo, it'll still take a while before a subbed version is out so we can actually know how much Suzaku now knows about everything.. or about what he doesnt know... because even with his promotion Suzaku is still stupid and blind, the part of change might have been possible but only if Britannia was playing the cards fairly and right now there is no reason at all to indicate that 'that' is true.. (hasnt been true for generations lol) Suzaku might be given false cards from everyone without even realising how wrong reality really is... same goes with us people, because non of us really know what is going on at this point and the only thing we can do is guess... Suzaku might know some small details about geass but i bet he doesnt know the meanign behind everything and he is probably being used to gain that last goal the emperor has in his plans... seriously if they do i "OMG i just realised the hard way that i was fighting on the wrong side after all so i am going to turn to the good side at the final episode" trick then im going to hurl.. one Shinn Asuka is enough.. i liked one i dont want two... -_-; (and yes i know Shinn only turned good after losing on the bad side and not changign sides in the final show down at all) also something else we do not know is how much influence the Knight of Rounds actually have, we know they fight as if they are in God-mode, or atleased we assume.. but 4 hadron cannons tells us enough... Suzaku must've really done some homework before realising what he was getting himself into.. but even then he wouldnt have a plan he woudl just be an Eleven with a high rank.. several people would look up to him and maybe some people would think of Eleven's or any other low society class alike to their own but i don't think that will happen... i am certain that will not happen because nothing has changed in the world instead it remained the same as it was before when Zero wasn't around -_-; probably even worse witht he public shown executions... Suzaku probably doesnt even know about those things... but if Suzaku were to say soemthing to a gouvernor general or any other high ranked Britannian, would he have the last say in the issiue because he's a KoR? would they have to obey him..? im thinking of a yes |
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Furthermore, this brings me back to a previous point I mentioned. Nobody said discrimination couldn't fade, just that it's a long shot, especially with the way Britainnia is. Quote:
And yes, Schneizel can probably be beaten. All the characters in Code Geass can. They're not uber Mary-Sues or Gary-Stus. Heck, Schneizel could have already been killed easily that one time when Lelouch and Kallen managed to hijack the Gawain and defeat this small platoon of armed guards. So much for the vaunted security. edit: I just realised who Suzaku needs to be like if he wants to change things from within. Delita from FFT -_- that's who.
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Suzaku will come back to Japan soon. I am not holding out much hope that he would give a damn about the pain his people are in, anymore than last season. For Suzaku, anyone who oppose the Empire deserve to die, just like his father. As for orders, we will see. I have serious doubts that Suzaku could gave any order that didn't come from the Emperor directly.
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2008-04-13, 14:52 | Link #131 |
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i wonder how Suzuku reacted to the fact that the Emperor has Geass?
since he more or less accused Lulu to be power hungry tyrant using his Geass power for his own gain. Won't it be ironic for him to follow the Emepror who has obviously been doing exactly that?
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2008-04-13, 17:06 | Link #134 |
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Well, Suzaku is the same as Lelouch; by betraying their own kind to achieve a new world order. Suzaku's way.... lame and willing to be victimize by Britannia's extraterrestrial power. Lelouch's way.... stunningly badass and cunning with no use of HAX robot driving magic and did everything from scratch.
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I think I have said something about "dog" vs "terrorist" before. lelouch is more to terrorist while suzaku is more to dog. ya dog is lamer. |
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2008-04-13, 17:51 | Link #138 | |
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Lelouch is not capable of whining as much as Suzaku. |
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2008-04-13, 18:04 | Link #140 |
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hmmm I'm wondering if Knight of the Round is the highest position he can hope to achieve as a "number". It's kinda of reminiscent of Lou Lou's mom. She was a highly decorated knightmare pilot before catching the eye of the Emperor. That being said his chances of becoming a noble are kinda low but not impossible. His main opposition would be the other nobles trying to keep him out.
I only bring it up cause I'm wondering if he's thinking that maybe with enough clout he could be appointed to Governor of Area 11. Honestly though, after Euphimia died I'm thinking all of heart of his ideas are dead and he's only going through the motions. |
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