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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 04 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 71 | 56.35% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 32 | 25.40% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 15.87% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 0.79% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.79% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.79% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-02-01, 03:26 | Link #181 | |
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Blamed by Araragi. For telling Karen on the phone where to find Kaiki. She says "I'd prefer you didn't try to act like this was my fault" which prompts Araragi to talk about how she scared Oshino by her ability to always find the answer, and to warn her that she should be aware of her own strength.
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2012-02-01, 03:39 | Link #182 |
Princess or Plunderer?
Join Date: May 2009
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^ So, the girls' attachment towards Araragi are:
Hitagi: A "unique" way of love [That enforces loyalty to Araragi] Mayoi: Companionship [Araragi is the only male that can see her] Kanbaru: Security of friend's relationship [So that she knows that Hitagi is in good hands] Nadeko: Infatuation bordering to obsession [Unrequited love that keeps on intensifying] Hanekawa: Escapism [She uses Araragi to escape from her complicated life] Shinobu: Mutual understanding ["I don't forgive you and vice versa", not quite literal] Karen and Tsukihi: Proving oneself (?) [Because Araragi doesn't treat them the way they like] So currently, the relationship tier goes as follows: Shinobu > Hitagi > Mayoi > Karen and Tsukihi > Kanbaru > Hanekawa > Nadeko. I think that Shinobu is closest to Araragi than even Hitagi, whom I think Araragi only holds on to because she can kill everyone else if he makes a wrong move. Mayoi is Araragi's greatest confidante, even more so than Karen and Tsukihi, and Koyomi thinks that it is better that way. On the bottom three are Kanbaru, Hanekawa and Nadeko. Kanbaru is only interested to Koyomi because she wants to know who stole her Hitagi, and she often tests Koyomi in handling girls. Hanekawa is friendzoned as Koyomi mentions in Episode 4, and so is Nadeko.
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2012-02-01, 04:05 | Link #183 |
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I think it's a bit more complicated than that. For example, Shinobu is his "past" while Senjougahara is his "future".
Shinobu's prediction of them being stuck together forever while everyone else dies is of course what she says while trying to convince him to abandon her. Shinobu is what keeps him stuck. She's quite literally the scars of his past. Senjougahara by contrast pushes him forward. She makes him think about his life and seek to better himself. She's the force that pulls him out of his rut of self-loathing and depression. Ironically by constantly demeaning him she reinforces his sense of self-worth by forcing him to defend himself. It's, well, it's pretty clear that Senjougahara will likely win in the very very end, but it'll be quite a struggle because Shinobu is a huge influence in his life. |
2012-02-01, 04:49 | Link #184 | |
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Remember that Araragi often says that Hanekawa is his savior and he owes her a lot... So importance chart maybe like this... Hanekawa > Hitagi > Karen + Tsukihi > Shinobu > Mayoi + Kanbaru + Nadeko. |
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2012-02-01, 07:55 | Link #186 | ||
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I would list it like this: Kaii trust Shinobu > Hanekawa > Mayoi > Hitagi > Kanbaru > Nadeko > Karen/Tsukihi Human Trust Hanekawa > Karen/Tsukihi > Hitagi > Mayoi > Shinobu > Kanbaru > Nadeko |
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2012-02-01, 09:09 | Link #187 | ||
Princess or Plunderer?
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2012-02-01, 09:49 | Link #188 | |
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And I advice you to not talk about these things if you don't have read the rest of the novels |
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2012-02-01, 10:44 | Link #190 | ||
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Isn't ranking oversimplifying their relationships?
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I hope not in this case, afterall they have nine lives |
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2012-02-01, 11:45 | Link #191 | |||
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What was she supposed to say? "Araragi-kun, if you will keep talking about Nadeko on a plane I'll dump you" "But my girlfriend is Senjougahara" "Fool, I was Senjougahara all along. And even Kanbaru" Quote:
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2012-02-01, 12:06 | Link #192 |
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We really shouldn't use Araragi's perception of Hanekawa as a point of reference into her character. He is sort of bias towards her so he glamorizes her into this perfect being. Actually, it seems like the Araragi sisters glamorize her as well as one can see in this episode. However the truth is that her perfection is the cause of her problem as Oshino pointed out before.
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2012-02-01, 12:30 | Link #193 | ||||
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2012-02-01, 13:12 | Link #194 |
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Wow completely confused. Word "accept" is misleading. That's quite a indirect way to say "watch yourself you are asking for troubles". It feels very out of character for rational and perceptive Hanekawa she should know she has no means or knowledge to deal with Kai. How she is going to deal with guilt regardless whether she was diect or indirect cause? Shouldn't she have used her influence to prevent sister's actions or at least get Koyomi to intercept them? (too little info on the whole ordeal). It really puts her in negative light like she was waiting for shit to happen.
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2012-02-01, 13:52 | Link #195 | ||
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She may be forced to give up her love for Araragi, but that doesn't mean she's giving up searching for kaii, in her own subtle way. |
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2012-02-01, 14:08 | Link #196 | |||
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First, let me rejoice that the thread finally moved past the naked loli vampire
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2012-02-01, 15:05 | Link #197 | |
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2012-02-01, 16:33 | Link #198 | ||
I disagree with you all.
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I think it's because they're kindred spirits, despite their different circumstances. They both feel alienated by their own families, and by society in general, though it's for different reasons. They both want to feel needed. |
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2012-02-01, 16:49 | Link #199 | |
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I guess you could say that what you need is different from what you want though. Last edited by Clarste; 2012-02-01 at 17:20. |
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2012-02-01, 19:08 | Link #200 | |
Princess or Plunderer?
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It's not like everyone should read the original source like the adaptation fails in storytelling. In Bakemonogatari's case, it's probably just me misunderstanding some things, which is worsened by my decision to not read the light novels. Well, it is better this way, because I might join the "Hey, Why Didn't They Add This or That?" crowd. Besides, "I do not know everything, I just know what I know."
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