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Originally Posted by Tormenk
Triggering the SAU-Arbrau war to ensnare and get rid of McG probably seem like a better scenario to Rustal, given he seems to have an inkling of how McG is trying to reform Gjarllarhorn through bloody revolution.
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I wouldn't call it a
bloody revolution. That the whole reason McGillis has been doing all this plans and machinations to honestly get rid of corruption as cleanly as possible. He could have simply gotten an assassin to kill all the Seven Stars, but that would be meaningless in the long run. And consider how many missions Galan has gone on for Rustal. How many people have been killed simply for petty politics? There really is no comparison.
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Originally Posted by tdx
It's a pretty crazy idea, but I think I'm not the only it occured to. With McGillis being pretty much confirmed not to be related by blood to Fareeds, what if he is Agnika's descendant, which was the reason why Izanario adopted him in the first place? And Bael was the Gundam Agnika piloted, but for some reason it ended up in the Elion family's hands? Which would explain to a degree why McGillis wants to return Gjallarhorn to its original form, and why he knew the name of that Gundam even as a kid and demanded it.
Also, I have this feeling that Bael, color-wise, will be either the blackest Gundam we've seen so far, or, alternatively, the whitest one.
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If McGillis was that influential, then you'd have to wonder why he would treat him so horribly? I mean, Fareed practically adopted Carta too, but with how she turned out, he basically spoiled her.
And to be honest...I kind of have this weird feeling that Mika is supposed to be the descendent of Agnika. I mean, could Augus have come from Agnika at one point? And we know less about Mika's origin's prior to CGS, and definitely prior to Orga, than we do about McGillis'.
But again. just an idea...
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She has no choice now but to try and do exactly that. Or rather, based on its contents, her conversation with Makanai took place after Orga relaying McGillis' offer and expressing his desire to agree to it, so she was fully aware what she was getting into. She, like Takaki, had choices, and in her case, the other option was an excellent one: she didn't have to quit anything or even change her goals as even working as an Earth politician, she could have still been able to work on improving Mars' situation from the outside, so to speak, although only to a degree. But she chose to stick with Tekkadan, even if it leads to 'wrong results': she's not enthusiastic about the whole deal, but her conversation with Makanai shows she's resolved to do everything in her power to help and fight alongside Tekkadan. Her reasons for making such a choice is also an interesting speculation topic. I can think of two such reasons currently: it was established in season 1 that she really loves Mars and its people, so I think her wanting to take part personally in what will have a huge effect on Mars is not too much of a stretch; and second, it might be that staying on Earth and basically withdrawing from this affair is pretty much the same in her eyes as her abandoning Tekkadan in their time of dire need, even though they hadn't abandoned her back in the past, both initially on Mars and later on Earth in the course of the affair with Makanai.
Orga is being a bit unfair, btw, as he virtually left Kudelia no choice either: his bringing up the idea of Mars' independence when she tried to object was basically a declaration of 'we're jumping into your boat whether you want it or not' with no room to protest. It also doesn't help that outside her, Orga and Merribit, the total number of the Tekkadan members in the room able to process and estimate, however roughly, just what taking over a planet is and what consequences it will have is a big fat zero, which means they're very much useless in stopping Orga. Mika is the only one who could have, but alas, Kudelia simply got another confirmation that Mika doesn't like to think for himself about difficult things (this is her first time being somewhat upset about the fact though, no? it really might mean she's falling out of love with him, slowly but surely).
I wonder if Biscuit could stop Orga if he were alive... no, that's probably a no either. He couldn't stop him back on the island, he wouldn't be able to do it here either. And out of the others... Merribit can't even slow Orga down, let alone reign him in. Naze's words can probably have a lot of weight for Orga, but why do I have this feeling that Naze will rather side with him... so it really looks like that the thankless job of trying to curb Orga's recklessness and make him see reason will be on Kudelia, but I have to wonder just how willing to listen and understand he will be... Well, at least they can trust each other without the fear of being backstabbed, unlike with their other allies.
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I think we have to decide,
should she stop Orga? Even considering Biscuit, they would not even be half of what they are today if Orga had listened to much of Biscuit's advice. They would have never made the deal with Teiwaz, they would have never finished Kudelia's job. They would probably be even worse off, because they would have ran out of money as barely anyone would hire them.
Orga takes big risks, yes, but he also doesn't go into anything blindly, always asking for advice from multiple sources before making a decision. He knows that basically all of Tekkadan follows his call and he's never been one to abuse that power.
It's been established that Tekkadan has many who would wish them ill, and whether they would be big or small, they would still have enemies in some form. Someone who doesn't like what they have, someone who wants what they have, or someone who wants to simply use and abuse them. It's something that Tekkadan will always have to deal with no matter what they do. And Orga works tirelessly to always be sure that they stay above water. He even stated when dealing with Dawn Horizon, that they are always one moment away from collapse.
Part of this is because of the world they live in, the way that Mars is even crappier place to live then it was last season. It's a lawless country where the law that does exist doesn't understand Mars and looks down on Martians, constantly causing friction between the people and nothing ever getting done. What if instead the group in charge of protecting Mars were one that knew the world intimately, had grown up there, and knew it's dark nooks and crannies and its people? And if say that law-enforcement group were friends with the Mars Representative who had the Arbrau PM's ear? With such a team and even more resources behind them, could this finally change Mars for the better?
And wouldn't this also allow Tekkadan to become a legitimate group that can fight for the downtrodden people like them, and they can be true to themselves and yet not have to kill to survive?
It would be a huge gambit for Tekkadan to be sure, but it would give security and a place of belonging to his people that Orga has only ever dreamed of.
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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor
Remember that Biscuit came back because Gjallarhorn was hot on their tails and there was no "safer place" that Biscuit could turn to at the time. Still, Biscuit's goal has always been to live a peaceful life with his sisters without the violence and bloodshed. In short: Biscuit never had a choice, Takaki does, and he took the route that Biscuit would've chosen if he's in Takaki's shoes. As for whether or not we'll be seeing him again, who knows? We just might.
Also, from this point on, the audience can practically blame Orga for any deaths of Tekkadan members due to battles in the future because now, they have a choice to just defend themselves while they manage and organize the huge mine they just got. But no. Orga chose an even (outrageusly) bigger goal this time (albeit with some others' blessings despite some vocal voices against it). If there are future battles caused by this very decision, the Tekkadan's blood will be even more on Orga's hands.
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Actually Biscuit decided to return to Tekkaden even before Gjallarhorn was announced to be on their way. In fact he decided it practically right after he said he was going to leave in a rage. Him saying he was leaving was basically a hasty decision made in anger, guilt and grief after finding out about his brother's suicide. It was a foolish decision that Biscuit almost immediately rescinded once he got a chance to talk it out with others. It would have been foolish for him to leave then. He would have no job, no way to support his sisters, no way to do anything that he had sworn to do. At least at this point, Tekkadan is big enough and influential enough that Orga can pull some strings to get Takaki a job on Earth. Biscuit did provide some level headedness to the group, but I will argue that Orga himself has become a much more level person since he had to start wearing a suit. And as I stated above, Tekkadan wouldn't be where it is now if Orga hadn't decided some of the risks were worth it. Playing it Biscuit's way is good sometimes, but just as Biscuit balanced Orga with the slow but steady advice, Orga balanced
him by pushing him to go beyond the well traveled road and that sometimes it's necessary to take a chance.
As for death of members, their blood has
always been on Orga's hands. It's been that way ever since he became leader. It's part of the job requirement and something Chad brought up in the episode. His ability to shoulder this burden is one of the qualities that makes him a great leader. As to the decision he must make now, I got more into that in the response above. ^
