Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

Exactly, which is why I see him insisting they upgrading it. Though that would just mean enhanced versions of what it already has. With perhaps slightly better speed and maneuverability as well. Although I'd replace the physical shield with two beam shields and add a second beam boomerang.

I thought IJ had a beam shield as well integrated into the physical shield? It makes sense for IJ to have a physical shield due to it being a melee/close combat type mobile suit.

[Rising Dragon]

It does, but I think S.Freedom's thinking of a set-up more along the lines of the Strike Freedom's beam shields.

[Aquaman OS]

I think the phyisical/beam shield combo is more resistant than just a beam shield. Kira was shown more than once to get knocked around by Rey and Shinn's blasts because the beam shield could only barely stop it, while Athrun twice easily blocked Destiny's cannon with no trouble. It also let him force his way through Requiem's shields, which I don't think an arm mounted beam shield could do quite as well.

Since IJ is designed to always get up close, they probably gave it the shield combo for that reason. I don't know why it doesn't have another shield on its other arm, possibly power/weight issues.

[Rising Dragon]

Probably. The physical shield also mounted two weapons for added capability; the beam boomerang mounted on it could also work as a large beam saber while still mounted.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

I'm not sure that would be possible as Fukuda and/or Morosawa wouldn't take that all that well. Though hopefully over the years things have mellowed out and they're willing to extend an olive branch if the movie ever does get picked up again after the success HD remasters.

It's not like that F/M are the only people who know their characters inside and out.

Morosawa isn't the only writer; other people co-wrote the episodes with her.

If his 2003 interview is to be believed, Fukuda said that only he and Morosawa understood Lacus's character.

Stargazer (written by one of the Seed/GSD writers) and the Astray mangas showed that a good story can be told without F/M's involvement, though they're more Secondary Canon-level material, IMO.

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Probably. The physical shield also mounted two weapons for added capability; the beam boomerang mounted on it could also work as a large beam saber while still mounted.

Just give it a mirrored shield on the other arm

I honestly cant see a SF or IJ upgrade, it would be too over the top considering how much weapons both have built in

Perhaps a refined version of both? Not an upgrade per se but a refinement of an already powerful suit to increase performance and draw out the full potentials (sorta like how Goku and Gohan refined the super saiyan prior to fighting cell)

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Skye629

Just give it a mirrored shield on the other arm

I honestly cant see a SF or IJ upgrade, it would be too over the top considering how much weapons both have built in

Perhaps a refined version of both? Not an upgrade per se but a refinement of an already powerful suit to increase performance and draw out the full potentials (sorta like how Goku and Gohan refined the super saiyan prior to fighting cell)

How about rearranging the weapons? IJ would be interesting to have kick launching boomerangs from the shins or feet. Maybe have them work as beam sabers as well.

As for SF, maybe more verniers and more targeting controls. It already has enough guns. It doesn't need a faster gun like Hyperion.

[Kirayuki]

As long it is to sell a new model, it doesn't need to be an upgrade.

Think like Endless Waltz suits....

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

As long it is to sell a new model, it doesn't need to be an upgrade.

Think like Endless Waltz suits....

The thing is SF and IJ are already loaded up as it is. It isn't like 00 or Wing suits where they don't have that much armaments to begin with. When it added on, it simply focus on their specialize area. Also the additional add-on doesn't make up for the weakness the unit has.

[Kirayuki]

Well what does that have to do with selling a model ?

Endless Waltz was an example for that where some suits lost some armaments. Whether it is bad or good for the suit itself is a whole different matter up to discussion. Point is, they will push out a new model regardless of circumstances, it's up to the designer how to arrange the armaments.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

Well what does that have to do with selling a model ?

Endless Waltz was an example for that where some suits lost some armaments. Whether it is bad or good for the suit itself is a whole different matter up to discussion. Point is, they will push out a new model regardless of circumstances, it's up to the designer how to arrange the armaments.

It does matter. For all of the wing suits and 00 suits remain virtually the same. That includes to MSV. They always have the same core body just armanent is the only thing beginning change along with color and other bits. The difference is that in seed at least when it comes to freedom and justice, is that they don't have variants where you can take away from. They are not ginn or zakus with ridiculous amount of msv where you literally could do nothing wrong when changing it or adding on to it.

[Kirayuki]

Gundam has always been franchise for putting up toys (model kit, etc).

Freedom ---> SF and Justice ---> IJ have the same core body, and whether you add new gimmick, armaments or just simply re-arranging the weapon basically equal to a new model with a new name.

And honestly, the word "already loaded up" can hardly apply to Gundam.

They are not ginn or zakus with ridiculous amount of msv where you literally could do nothing wrong when changing it or adding on to it.

No, if you don't have some inside material to take some ideas from then you can simply create new one or adapt from other franchise (of course consideration for the technological level for in-universe itself is needed)

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

Gundam has always been franchise for putting up toys (model kit, etc).

Freedom ---> SF and Justice ---> IJ have the same core body, and whether you add new gimmick, armaments or just simply re-arranging the weapon basically equal to a new model with a new name.

And honestly, the word "already loaded up" can hardly apply to Gundam.

It would have worked had their been an official msv of strike freedom and infinite justice. Bandai can't pull a bunny out of a hat when they have no suit variations of it. It has to market it off whether in astray or other side side-story. Otherwise, it be just as bad as SF and IJ when they came out, with the endless debunking and bringing up designs of whether it is official or not.


A example of this ZGMF-XX09T DOM Trooper Original Spec Type before lacus stole it and customize for their own uses.

[Kirayuki]

Originally Posted by Cherudim Arche

It would have worked had their been an official msv of strike freedom and infinite justice. Bandai can't pull a bunny out of a hat when they have no suit variations of it. It has to market it off. Or it would be treated no better that any fan made suit.

Or they can make a MSV for that after they put out the new SF and IJ, and detail how that MSV have technologies for the latter 2 in side materials. There are far more liberties that can be taken by designers actually. You don't see there was any MSV for the origin of Wing Zero Custom (talking about changing the giant thrusters with Wings).

And honestly, the line between fan made suit itself is blurry nowadays in Gundam.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

Or they can make a MSV for that after they put out the new SF and IJ, and detail how that MSV have technologies for the latter 2 in side materials. There are far more liberties that can be taken by designers actually. You don't see there was any MSV for the origin of Wing Zero Custom.

And honestly, the line between fan made suit itself is blurry nowadays in Gundam.

Bandai has the final shot though. Unless bandai hires you for the design, fan made will treated a figment of the imagination oppose the official where it has develop it into models or illustrations.

As for wing zero custom, I disagree, for it is still essential tv wing zero with a new mask. It is still the same wing zero.

[Kirayuki]

@WZC
That's what I basically referring to, it is still the same suit on the core just with a new "packaging".

I don't see how that cannot apply to the previous 2.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

@WZC
That's what I basically referring to, it is still the same suit on the core just with a new "packaging".

I don't see how that cannot apply to the previous 2.

It doesn't work for everything has been changed. It isn't a simple recolor and add-on with extra guns and sword. They change the foundation of it as well when changing it. It like trying to change an orange into a pear or peach. The thing is that the have to start back from the concept.

[Kirayuki]

And why do you think they need to change the foundation as well ?

If you think WZ and WZC are still the same suit, then exactly what can prevent them to give this treatment to SF and IJ ?.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

And why do you think they need to change the foundation as well ?

If you think WZ and WZC are still the same suit, then exactly what can prevent them to give this treatment to SF and IJ ?.

The reason is why you don't see SF doing barrel rolls and IJ not stalling it backpack in from of enemies. Freedom doesn't have to worry about carrying a shield all the time as well as placement of rifles on the side skirt. Justice doesn't have pseudo flight phase that the original justice has when it comes to adjusting the wings. It because of those extra weapons that define them. It isn't treated as an add-on at all. It treated as if the suit itself gotten literally upgrade from the feet up.

[Kirayuki]

It doesn't need to alter the way Kira and Athrun use it, and I don't see how that can't be done. Especially if they decide to change the designer like WZ to WZC. And considering those two designs are from like almost 10 years ago, a change that doesn't alter the concept is not impossible. They will find a way to push out new models.