Hentai anime, what is that?

[quikimpulse]

Originally Posted by dreamless

let's make this clear, the definition of "porn" does not equate to "hentai". This is not a subjective matter, this is not opinion. If a 90-minute anime movie which has a wonderful story and beautiful arts and music etc. etc. contains 5 minutes of explicit sexuality, despite whether the sexuality is put in there for story-development/plot-critical event or not, it will be labeled hentai. That has nothing to do with your opinion or my opinion or anyone's opinion. So will you say that because this anime movie is labeled hentai, so it is porn? Now you understand?

Hmm.................

I admire your persistance and i see what you are saying. The hentai you mention is not in the catagory that i am mentioning. I am talking about the ones with just senseless continuous sex. The type of anime you speak of should be in a whole different catagory then hentai. It should just be rated R or something. Not labeled hentai. But i have no control of labeling and advertising of anime or anything else. I still stand by my statements from before to a degree.

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by quikimpulse

Hmm.................

I admire your persistance and i see what you are saying. The hentai you mention is not in the catagory that i am mentioning. I am talking about the ones with just senseless continuous sex. The type of anime you speak of should be in a whole different catagory then hentai. It should just be rated R or something. Not labeled hentai. But i have no control of labeling and advertising of anime or anything else. I still stand by my statements from before to a degree.

well, then maybe you should give some of Grona's suggestions a try, because despite of the fact that they are being labeled hentai, they more or less fall into the category which I have described in my last post, and are definitely NOT senseless continuous sex. that should be reason enough for you to try some of Grona's suggested hentai (but for you they should not be called hentai) animes... I agree this is becoming confusing now... but anyway I hope the ideas get through...

[mantidor]

Originally Posted by kj1980

Haven't we (I) discussed this matter in detail across many threads?

where? where? why do I always miss the good ones?

you people should calm down, it isnt that big of a deal if someone thinks that your beloved ero-games are porn, for me they are, with the only difference that in the games and animes the story takes a more crucial role than in the regular western porn, but people thinking that they arent meant to arause people sexually are in serious denial.

[Shoeshefied]

porn is porn ..hentai is hentai..
porn is more broad and general where hentai is yet the very innocent-oh-so-i-dont-know-bystander thats being redrawn under less warming materials such as clothes.... or heavily redrawn to interpret the realism porn is but only as to be a substitute.... (like sugar and poly-whatsitsname substituted sugar)


i see no other way then that. All i can say is that i respect everyones opinion and use of nosebleeding compassion. Nosebleeding from your left nOs indicates you are of many bounds and continue on the family of real fidelity skin fixture that involves people or things; To your right nOs that bleeds, you march on to the ever imaginative ways of curiousity that confronts the character to do what it is not intended to be even doing more over. If both.. you are one ccrazy driver thats likely to have gone way pass your bedtimes and into the first glimse of sunlight that rises... rises..

(dont mind me, skip to the next reply! ^^; ... )

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by mantidor

where? where? why do I always miss the good ones?

you people should calm down, it isnt that big of a deal if someone thinks that your beloved ero-games are porn, for me they are, with the only difference that in the games and animes the story takes a more crucial role than in the regular western porn, but people thinking that they arent meant to arause people sexually are in serious denial.

I can't say for others, but I can say for sure that I myself never got sexually aroused when playing Tsukihime... I was more like exhausted from struggling to read all those full screens of texts, and there was hardly 10 minutes of "sex scene" in the more than 6 hours worth of reading... not that the "sex scenes" have anything interesting to see considering the quality of the art and the way the scripts are written

I agree most of the sex scenes in a hentai anime/game are there to arouse people, but there are always exceptions. In certain cases the sex scenes are definitely not meant to arouse people... for example, a dark non-hentai anime can show the cruelty of war by showing soldiers brutally beheading civilians or violently beating POWs with blood splattering everywhere, and that's definitely not meant to quench people's bloodthirst, and if someone feels hot-blooded when watching those scenes they definitely have some issues. In the same way, a dark hentai anime can show the cruelty of war by showing soldiers brutally raping civilians, but I don't think they are meant to arouse people sexually, and I hope noone get sexually aroused by those scenes...

besides, I'm pretty sure that there are plenty "sexually arousing scenes" in non-hentai games/animes

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by dreamless

I can't say for others, but I can say for sure that I myself never got sexually aroused when playing Tsukihime... I was more like exhausted from struggling to read all those full screens of texts, and there was hardly 10 minutes of "sex scene" in the more than 6 hours worth of reading... not that the "sex scenes" have anything interesting to see considering the quality of the art and the way the scripts are written

I definitely agree. I myself got onto the Tsukihime craze in January of 2001, when rumors were beginning to spread from those that bought the game at Winter Comike 2000. Back then, I would hear several of my otaku colleagues at the usual hangouts in Akihabara that "this certain doujin game group made this totally whack game," "this game is REALLY good," "dude, you should play this game - this group has the potential to even make actual softhouses cringe in shame."

Hence, after giving much thought, I strolled over to the nearest Toranoana shop to buy the game - and it blew my mind away. The overall feel of the game was something that I haven't felt since Leaf's "Kizuato" back in 1995 - and I was shocked at the immense load of texts after texts - with vivid detail on how the Tsukihime (Kinoko) world works. The art was...let's just say "you can obviously tell it was amateurish" and it was not what I would call "a sexually arousing" picture. I was more deeply caught up with the story that when a sex scene came up, I would just be continuously clicking my mouse to skip over that part. And at the end, when you finally realize that it was Kohaku all along pulling the strings, it sent chills down my spines that this doujin game made itself into history into the otaku culture. The text was what I call "an overdose of jamming written text into your brain."

[Grona]

Originally Posted by quikimpulse

Well it seems you are on my lvl because you are flaming too you asshole. It seems you got somethin to say about americans. And you are callin me a fag too. I would expect this from a canadian. You thing this is flamin you ain't seen nothin yet. You better back off for i get real rude.

rofl, lighen up, its alot better than threatening and cussing like some people (and you did express and interest in my man gravy ). I'm not trying to flame and this is gettin way off topic since you tried to make where we are from an issue. So I'll just say if you cant take it dont start it.



And to steer it back on topic, once you get past the porn-ness of some of the hentai you'll see the humor in it. I'm sure no one who dosent have a little ero knoledge wouldent understand some of the jokes about tentacles and to a lesser extent baths that pops up every once and awhile in anime Small issue, but I can see it making some stuff more enjoyable if you are of age of course.

anothe new series that I would recomend too is Lngerie Soldier Papillon Rose ^_^ Blatant sailor moon spoof that makes a few digs at other animes and even it's self . Only one ep out that I have found, but its a good laugh.

[quikimpulse]

Originally Posted by Grona

rofl, lighen up, its alot better than threatening and cussing like some people (and you did express and interest in my man gravy ). I'm not trying to flame and this is gettin way off topic since you tried to make where we are from an issue. So I'll just say if you cant take it dont start it.



And to steer it back on topic, once you get past the porn-ness of some of the hentai you'll see the humor in it. I'm sure no one who dosent have a little ero knoledge wouldent understand some of the jokes about tentacles and to a lesser extent baths that pops up every once and awhile in anime Small issue, but I can see it making some stuff more enjoyable if you are of age of course.

anothe new series that I would recomend too is Lngerie Soldier Papillon Rose ^_^ Blatant sailor moon spoof that makes a few digs at other animes and even it's self . Only one ep out that I have found, but its a good laugh.

ok ok, i am going to calm down. And if you must know i just turned 16 last month. I still am skeptical about this hentai. The only difference between ordinary anime and hentai is the fact that hentai contains nudity. So i am probably going to stick with what i am used to.

P.S. And i am going to pretend i just didn't see that man gravy statement you just typed.

[Kurz]

Meh i lie to porn sites that ask my age i really do wonder who wouldn't.
Hell when 14 porn was something new. But now i rather find me a chick of my own instead of wasting time.

[Oujirou]

Originally Posted by quikimpulse

ok ok, i am going to calm down. And if you must know i just turned 16 last month. I still am skeptical about this hentai. The only difference between ordinary anime and hentai is the fact that hentai contains nudity. So i am probably going to stick with what i am used to.

I'd have to say you are wrong there IMO, you obviously haven't seen much. Hentai may contain nudity, but it's not the only thing. Anime does as well and there are plenty of examples, but anything rated teen 'may contain nudity' pretty much.

[nephilim]

in my opinion, if porn = meaningless + stimulate sexual desires then i think hentai classified into the first meaning but failed the latter. however, because it's a representation of sexual intercourse, i cannot show them to my parents because they will kill me.

[babbito2k]

Originally Posted by mantidor

...it isnt that big of a deal if someone thinks that your beloved ero-games are porn, for me they are, with the only difference that in the games and animes the story takes a more crucial role than in the regular western porn...

That's not a small difference, and that's what people are pointing out. And what they are saying is part of what gets discussed each time ero-media is brought up in the forums. And some people always come along and take an underinformed and simplistic position, and miss out on the discussion - because for them there won't ever be anything worth discussing.

[Grona]

Originally Posted by nephilim

in my opinion, if porn = meaningless + stimulate sexual desires then i think hentai classified into the first meaning but failed the latter. however, because it's a representation of sexual intercourse, i cannot show them to my parents because they will kill me.

hehe, death note fan ^_^

I dont really care if someone gets off on it, and I sure dont look down on them. Its what they want to get it on with there not much wrong with it, I really dont see it as any different than homosexuals. Everyone is different and if you wana feel that way towards 90 year old or a guy named Lance, its your choice.

[DarkCntry]

There's some that would classify a series like KGNE as hentai due to the content of the story...of course those people would probably be very shallow and narrow-minded but that is besides the point

The fact remains...ero's today are simply stories that contain erotic material. Not every ero out there is a La Blue Girl, Night Shift Nurses, or Bible Black when it comes to sexual content...take for example, Futari Ecchi and Virgin Touch. Both of those animes fall into the ero category, but on two different ends of it. Futari Ecchi is a light-hearted romance that centralizes on a couples arranged marriage and how they deal with it in their own inexperienced ways together, while it has erotic scenes, it's done in a way to further the plot, not just meaningless sex. Virgin Touch has a fairly engaging story, but is heavy on the h-scenes despite the fact these scenes are neither pivital or problematic to the story's flow.

There is of course those mindless sex and obviously porn-driven ero titles out there where they sit on the sex and lighten up on the story's depth.

Some people need to really be more open-minded to these things and don't go leaping into it with only half-knowledge. This falls true with ero games, as a lot of them are pumping out much heavier on the story than the sexual content, you can't always associate hentai/ero to pure sex. Like was said earlier, to generalize hentai/ero's as just porn would be generalizing anime as just kid's cartoons, this is something that shouldn't be done either way.

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by nephilim

in my opinion, if porn = meaningless + stimulate sexual desires then i think hentai classified into the first meaning but failed the latter. however, because it's a representation of sexual intercourse, i cannot show them to my parents because they will kill me.

saying sex is meaningless is the same as saying blood and violence is meaningless. Sure we can change all the explicit sex scenes to some "implied sex scenes", but then we can also change all the explicit blood and violence to some "implied blood and violence". We can change every explicit depiction of sex intercourse to some scene switching and shadows, we can also change every blow to the face in an action anime to some scene switching and shadows, and maybe change the blood spilling to orange color or some shadows on ground. The problem is that, it's always more impactful to show something directly instead of "implying" it. Sure there are many meaningless sex scenes in a lot of hentai animes, but there are also many meaningless blood and violence in a lot of action animes. However there are always special cases where some explicit blood and violence are used not meaningless, same goes to some explicit sex scenes.

If we want to over-generalize sex scenes, why don't we also over-generalize blood and violence scenes? If some explicit scenes of killing and multilation and ripping internal organs out can be shown directly and praised as great achievement, why can't some explicit scenes of sex? For example, I'd say the "hentai parts" in the Berserk manga where people are shown having sex explicitly and sexual organs are shown directly, they are not meaningless, they are used to perfect the atmosphere and plot development.

[nephilim]

ahhh perhaps i never make myself clear. Meaningless as in, there is no meaning into the plot and story of the anime itself. Its only purpose is only to encourage sex scenes so that people will get stimulated by it. In my opinion, which could be different from others, hentai has no meaning. Just a simple, repeated story which lead to sex.

Sex, gore, and violence all had their meaning, but let's stay on to the thread ya?

[kujoe]

If placed on the hands of a good and daring storyteller, ero/hentai anime are able to properly explore darker and psychological themes that mainstream anime aren't willing to touch--such as incest, depression, resentment, etc. The thing is, such titles are very rare and very few in number compared to the number of titles that have the usual hentai content.

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed, but the term "hentai" doesn't exactly translate to the word, "porn." If a person knows what porn and hentai anime are, then he/she would also know that hentai and porn are very different from each other. However, due to the sexual content they possess, they are also quite similar at the same time.

If you want to make a critical study out of it, ero/hentai anime also exposes the viewer to a specific culture of fetish and desire--which is also unsurprisingly prevalent in mainstream anime to a lesser extent. On another note, it makes me wonder where the world of doujinshi would be right now without the ero genre.

[nephilim]

reminds me of kiminozo when hayase mitsuki was too depressed and went to have fun with bakayuki's friend (forgot all their names)

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by nephilim

reminds me of kiminozo when hayase mitsuki was too depressed and went to have fun with bakayuki's friend (forgot all their names)

Did you find this meaningless then?

And I doubt Mitsuki was having "fun." (Say that to every woman that has unfortunately done the same thing..) Furthermore, such a scene also demonstrates that sex scenes--implied or otherwise--aren't always meant to simply sexually stimulate the viewer. With regard to some ero anime out there, the same thing can be said to be true.

[Green²]

Originally Posted by hsevanangel

i searched the web foe some anime-sites...
and there appears the word "hentai" (very often)
what does that mean?
sorry, if this is a stupid question, i'd just like to know

Happy
Erotic
Naughty
Tentacle
Arousing
Illusion

But many would rather call it happy happy fun time.