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More importantly this is the first mention of the Spring maiden and how no one knows where she is...
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2016-11-19, 11:58 | Link #4582 |
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"Remnant's a diverse society" seems to only matter when writers need to deflect queerbait accusations. Otherwise apparently making trans-phobic jokes is FIIINE as is ableism in writing. Also apparantly "Taiyang implies he is only going to be there for Yang when she is useful and reliable" and "Taiyang bullies Yang into using a prosthetic to become useful" is good writing. At least I totally called Raven's role and Ozpin twist. Last edited by Harry Dresden; 2016-11-19 at 13:59. |
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2016-11-19, 20:25 | Link #4584 |
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If we're going to criticise Dresden, and I have plenty of criticisms of how they act in this thread, can we not make fun of a genuine psychological principle in the bargain, Lord C. Doing so is the behavior of a child, not a grown adult, and it should be beneath the dignity of everybody here.
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2016-11-20, 02:42 | Link #4586 |
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I really don't get the accusations of ableism, especially when the story's setting is a place that has a technology to cure almost every physical disabilities (they can make androids, FFS).
We might as well accuse almost every sci-fi show of being ableist. Heck, in The Empire Strikes Back, Luke got his hands cut by his dad, only to be fixed a few minutes later.
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2016-11-20, 04:48 | Link #4587 | |
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The problem is HOW Taiyang's character was handled this episode. The whole kitchen scene was just uncomfortable and OOC for all involved.
Yet again just like previous episode I can only pray to the gods the show KNOWS what it wrote and addresses it. None of that was okay. I guess there's still hope that arm won't stick or that Yang will not accept arm simply because "her dad needs to go save Ruby" - because that literally means that Yang, yet again, is only "getting better" for others and not for herself. This outlines that Yang can only be accepted or treated well by those around her if she is useful, reliable and "back to normal". That she is not allowed to be hurt, that she is not entitled to her own sorrow or pain or mental trauma. Even if we ignore the creepy ableism I outlined above, this is yet again "Yang needing to get better because others don't care for her when she is useless and treat her as a burden". Which is the OPPOSITE of what Yang's character needs. |
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Applying it to the episode, we must not forget what personality Yang had, originally. Being a feisty girl, Yang might use "payback" as a means to suppress her trauma. Was she? Or did the fire in her heart stared to reignite itself? We can only find out soon.
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2016-11-20, 11:42 | Link #4590 |
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That entire conversation was awkward as fuck. One episode Yang seems to have given up because of losing her arm. Then this episode she has a nightmare about her feeling helpless when she lost her arm. And then she laughs at Taiyang joking about her losing her arm along with some of her sanity.
Wtf are they trying to tell about Yang's character? Such a mess.
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2016-11-20, 12:04 | Link #4592 |
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Humor is a coping mechanism. The perpetually triggered seem to not be able to make note of this.
Besides, didn't I already tell you people that fictional characters may sometimes have 'issues' but they don't get PTSD. *rolls eyes* How about that Qrow, huh? Following that girl around from the shadows. What a creeper. |
2016-11-20, 12:08 | Link #4593 | |
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What really unsettles me is how OOC the whole scene was for everyone involed. Yang should not have even come to the situation of that laugh scene. Taiyang should have never made such a "joke". Or done that pep talk which pretty much was "get back to normal and then I'll help you". The joke itself was horrifying in context of Volume3 and Emerald basically gas-lighting Yang into doubting her own sanity("Maybe I am crazy"). It just felt weird and confusing and very poorly written. Like I legit would expect scene like that from some fanfic that hates Taiyang - characters fanfic writers hate usually end up acting like OOC assholes. This episode literally clashes with everything good and positive about Taiyang and I am not even sure narrative realizes that? |
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2016-11-20, 12:23 | Link #4594 |
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Dengar, characters can have PTSD, it's just that normally it isn't taken too deep, for plot convenience.
At the end of the day, it'll simply seem like a transient trauma that the plot takes care of giving a solution to. |
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Like I said to Lord C: It's the behavior of a child, not an adult, to take a word with an actual and important meaning and bandy it about as mockery. Even accounting for what we've already seen from you, I would have still thought it'd be beneath your dignity. I would like to kindly suggest you stay quiet on the subject from now on -- I certainly won't bother treating anything you say about it as being worth acknowledging. Anyway, Dengar's semi-regular hysterics aside: Honestly, everyone's talking about the joke Taiyang made, but that seemed more like just a slip there -- and Yang clearly wasn't bothered by it. I know able people like to imagine that disabled people are constantly wracked with horror and grief for the rest of their lives, but that's just not true. Eventually, there does come a point where it can be joked about, where it's normalised to a degree. I thought Yang behaved pretty realistically there. What bothered me more was Taiyang's little "When you stop moping ..." remark. Because that wasn't a slip, and that was frankly just kind of insulting to her -- she's not moping, she's recovering from a pretty horrendous experience. Also, this episode seems to clarify that Qrow's Semblance isn't turning into a crow, it's controlling and/or seeing through the eyes of crows. It looks like Raven leads those bandits that Nora and Ren are familiar with, as well, and if I'm reading the implications of Qrow's pointed "There's someone strong with you [...] If you know where the Spring Maiden is ..." then Spring is also part of those bandits. Also, yeah, wow, okay, Oscar is definitely either Ozpin or somehow hosting his consciousness. I don't think anybody is altogether surprised by that one.
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So Raven has a Survival of the Fittest belief due to being raised in a bandit tribe.
No wonder both Brawen siblings are messed up in their own ways (Qrow being a drunk and Raven caring more about the mission rather than her family.)
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Taiyang behavior is pretty fine imho. First of all he is HERE and is willing help Yang as long as she is willing to be helped. And yeah she is moping. Sure she went through horrible experience, but no-one can recovery by pitying their self. Her recovery started in moment when she decided to do something. Until that moment all Taiyang could do is provide her where she would feel safe and welcomed.
Sure he probably could be more forceful and help her whether she wish it or not, but ... That way Harry would instantly condemned him. Oh he did anyway. I guess Taiyang would be terrible person whatever he would do...
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Speaking about the relic, I just realized now there's more to Qrow following RNJR. Ruby has silver eyes and Qrow would have deduced that Salem would have heard about this from Cinder. He's using RNJR as bait.
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It's rather jarring because they were building up Yang's problem quite well and then gave her this very sudden improvement in the span of half an episode. I feel like RT tossed a coin and opted to put more detail into Qrow and Raven's conversation. They knew they wouldn't have enough time to provide the exposition that they did while keeping Yang's recovery within a"believable" time frame. |
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Dengar, the only one triggered here is you. Its pretty amusing when those who cry "SJW, tumblerinas, etc etc. complain about everything" are the ones doing most of the complaining.
"Why aren't you criticizing the show in the manner that I like?" "Why are you trying to talk about things that I don't like talking about?" At 32 years of age I would expect some maturity than crying #triggered on people who are trying to look at the show from some other perspective. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, @Raviel Yeah, that seems to be the reason. I mean they could still keep her nightmares and her insecurities in her own ability to defend herself after this episode and just cover-up this episodes interaction as her shoving her problems under the rug. Otherwise its just feels hamfisted.
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