(L) Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie

[Kimiko Khan]

heh sorry, i assumed that was pretty common knowledge

[AzoLto]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

Spoiler for Visual Novel:

Shirouexplained in UBW why he choose that path. He found it beautifull to have everyone in pace and be happy. He wanted to experience the same happyness Kirigitsu had when he saved him. That's why he kept up that ideal. In HF he must choose between his own happiness and the beuty of his ideal. And he choose rightly his own happyness. Perhaps he didn't threw out his ideal even then. He just "purified" his borrowed ideal, thus making his own.

Spoiler for UBW Shirou:

To add some more information, if I recall correctly, UBW Shirou told the reader that with Tohsaka helping him along his path towards his goals of becoming a 'superhero', he would probably not stray off his path and turn into Archer, someone who regrets turning into a heroic spirit. This is the one of the reasons why people believe UBW Shirou isn't Archer.

Spoiler for HF Shirou:

I haven't read Heaven's Feel, but from what I know due to spoilers, it seems that HF Shirou did indeed abandon his dreams of becoming a superhero. Wasn't it a world vs. Sakura decision for Shirou?

I'm certainly not a fan of Sakura but the criticism she receives certainly isn't warranted sometimes. If you've read Heaven's Feel, or heard about her history...

And like someone said earlier, she's the tragic heroine of F/SN, much like how Kohaku was for Tsukihime.

Spoiler for Heaven's Feel Sakura:

Yes, Sakura is a tragic heroine. Everything was out of her control as far as I know. Worms. Rape. Emotional abuse. Nothing was really her fault to begin with. All she wanted was Shirou wasn't it? If your life consisted of nothing but wanting one single thing.. I don't see how that is greed. Rather, it'd seem, sad. This is apparent even in Fate where Sakura said something like the highlight of her day was going over to Shirou's place (IIRC).

[willyvereb]

Well, I know it isn't the game discussion thread or anything like that, but I have an urge to answer

Spoiler for HF Shirou:

I advise you to read the story, AzoLto. He certainly has many hard decision regarding Sakura. He had to make the decision 3 times in the story whether kill her or not. Yeah, he somehow betrayed his ideal, but necerthless he was the most GAR in that route.

Well, Sakura in the previous two routes she seemed to be just girl in love. That's why HF has such shocking. It has many meaningful revelation, both about the characters and the background of the War.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

Well, I know it isn't the game discussion thread or anything like that, but I have an urge to answer

Spoiler for HF Shirou:

I advise you to read the story, AzoLto. He certainly has many hard decision regarding Sakura. He had to make the decision 3 times in the story whether kill her or not. Yeah, he somehow betrayed his ideal, but necerthless he was the most GAR in that route.

Well, Sakura in the previous two routes she seemed to be just girl in love. That's why HF has such shocking. It has many meaningful revelation, both about the characters and the background of the War.

I didn't really see Shirou as being GAR or heroic in HF. While he may not be the most idealistic in this arc, I saw him as the most childish (Yeah I said it).

[willyvereb]

Childish? Now that's what isn't true to HF Shirou at all.

Spoiler for HF Shirou:

It's rather groundless accusation. Being selfish? Being a murderer? Not being a hero? They all have grounds. Being either GAR or not is really just personal viewpoint so I can understand it. In FSN Shirou somewhat simbolised the three stages of maturing. Fate: Kid, Child; UBW: Teen, HF: Man. And why Hf Shirou's a man? He understands better than any of the previous Shirou's what means killing someone and against what he fights exactly. He values everything like always, but willing to face and accept reallity. He lacks omnipotent power so he can only save a limited number of people. ÍBut he sworns to be happy even if he loses many things.Somehow that's why I think he's GARer than Archer.

[Flinch]

I would view fate as the highest, simply because many people have ideals. Out of those many people, very few are willing to defend them. Out of those, even less are willing to fight for them. And even rarer are the people who are willing to die for an ideal. It might seem childish to follow an ideal, but a child would not put everything on the line for a chance at realization of their ideal.

[willyvereb]

Then choose UBW. Shirou defends his ideal and follows it even if knows it destroys him, and it's only a borrowed ideal. Well, tosave Fate: it has more Illya and Saber.

[ac195]

Originally Posted by Flinch

I would view fate as the highest, simply because many people have ideals. Out of those many people, very few are willing to defend them. Out of those, even less are willing to fight for them. And even rarer are the people who are willing to die for an ideal. It might seem childish to follow an ideal, but a child would not put everything on the line for a chance at realization of their ideal.

Potato....

[willyvereb]

lol...you reminded me this(Mashed Taters).
But please keep from being overly personnal.

[patnam]

hope to see Kenji Kawai to return for the BGMs effect...

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by ac195

Potato....

You're just jealous.

[MFSxA]

Originally Posted by Flinch

I would view fate as the highest, simply because many people have ideals. Out of those many people, very few are willing to defend them. Out of those, even less are willing to fight for them. And even rarer are the people who are willing to die for an ideal. It might seem childish to follow an ideal, but a child would not put everything on the line for a chance at realization of their ideal.

Well said.

[bergsdal]

any news about the movie ?

[orangejuicetang]

Produced by Studio Deen, follows UBW route.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

Childish? Now that's what isn't true to HF Shirou at all.

Spoiler for HF Shirou:

It's rather groundless accusation. Being selfish? Being a murderer? Not being a hero? They all have grounds. Being either GAR or not is really just personal viewpoint so I can understand it. In FSN Shirou somewhat simbolised the three stages of maturing. Fate: Kid, Child; UBW: Teen, HF: Man. And why Hf Shirou's a man? He understands better than any of the previous Shirou's what means killing someone and against what he fights exactly. He values everything like always, but willing to face and accept reallity. He lacks omnipotent power so he can only save a limited number of people. ÍBut he sworns to be happy even if he loses many things.Somehow that's why I think he's GARer than Archer.

Spoiler:

But that is why I thought of him as childish. I think to be a true man, you have to understand a bit of reality, but also be willing to stick up for your ideals. That is why I liked UBW Shirou the best. I saw Shirou in HF as simply chasing pleasure (That being Sakura) at the cost of those things dear to him. He discarded himself, which just reminds me of many young people who do not stay true to themselves in the face of their peers when growing up.

[mAc Chaos]

Fate route > all routes

[orangejuicetang]

this really should be moved to the game thread.

[willyvereb]

I know, but I think it's invenietable to have game discussions here while we get no information about the coming movie.
"So as I pray, Unlimited Off-topic Works!"

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Spoiler:

But that is why I thought of him as childish. I think to be a true man, you have to understand a bit of reality, but also be willing to stick up for your ideals. That is why I liked UBW Shirou the best. I saw Shirou in HF as simply chasing pleasure (That being Sakura) at the cost of those things dear to him. He discarded himself, which just reminds me of many young people who do not stay true to themselves in the face of their peers when growing up.

Spoiler for HF Shirou, UBW Shirou:

You take differently the adult then me. But first of all:lol. Seeking pleasure? You mean Shirou's a masoist? Because sacraficing everything valuable to him just for the girl he loves is seriously falls into that cathegory. Or you meant enjoying the sex with her again? Because it was the least important of his reasons to save her. HF Shirou decided to save only a certain group of people and he isn't scared of losing people important to him. It doesn't mean the ones he killed/didn't saved(notably Saber) and were important suddenly became indifferent to him. He just decided to save with priority. UBW Shirou would've hesitated to kill Saber and caused his main reason(saving the one he loves) crumble. But I can't blame UBW Shirou either choosing that path. For him that was the only way to survive the situation. Either submitting to Archer or chosing to resist and survive. But I think UBW shirou is more childish. He refuses to lose anyone, while it's impossible. With time due to aging we lose people even if we manage to protect them to the end. He rushes to his own death, not knowing how much grieve he would cause the others important to him by that. He risks his life even for a complete stranger, while he can't imagine how troubled the others close to him by that. HF Shirou isn't like that, but I have to say he's suicidal too. But the thing made him that way is the situation not his decisions.

And about the not staying true to themselves: How you mean it? In the process of maturing people making constant compromises with the world. That's a natural thing. I think the ones won't do this the ones are generally childish. Clinging to things proved to be inapropiate a time ago just because they had it for years. That's childish. Not being able to release things.

[AzoLto]

Excuse me for breaking the tension guys, but this is something everyone would want to see.

The animation increased ten fold. Much, much better than the anime. I have to say though, how they're going to cram in the entire UBW route in two hours is still (probably) more important...

Well either way, still very interested in the movie. Let the hype train begin!

[swtrooper42]

Looks like so far they've hit the good scenes.

Put in order:

Spoiler for Scenes:

• Archer vs. Lancer Round 1
• Saber Summoning
• Berserker graveyard fight
• Rin vs Shirou (Shirou takes an invisable dagger to his arm from Rider)
• What looks like Saber vs. Assassin and Archer vs Caster
• Gilgamesh and Ilya
• Archer vs Shirou

The animation does look really nice. Sort of like episode 24,but turned up to 11.