2013-02-09, 11:00 | Link #6746 |
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So, the word lolita. It's originally a cute name for a girl, then our good friend Nabokov nicknamed one of the characters in his book, Lolita, Lolita. Said character was a twelve year old (can't remember exactly, it's been a while since I read it) precocious sexual deviant who repeatedly exploits her mother's lover by bribing him with sexual favors. (Un)surprisingly, the name Lolita disappears off the face of the earth soon after.
Later it becomes a word used in "Lolita Complex" (which may be Engrish) to describe someone who's basically a pedo. Even later, the term is shortened to "lolicon", and simply means someone who likes seeing children or underdeveloped looking characters and is not necessarily a pedophile. Or just "loli", which refers to said characters. Anyway, question is, loli is for boys and girls right? I know people throw around "shotacon" for boys, but imho lolicon should be the same regardless of gender. Is it? |
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2013-02-09, 12:27 | Link #6748 | |
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Ok, so lolicon is only for girls? Just wondering. The story behind "shotacon" is a lot less interesting and more anticlimatic, if I heard it right. |
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2013-02-09, 15:32 | Link #6749 | |
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To be honest, I don't really get the concept of "double standard". How exactly do you define this? Because what I see from things that are supposedly double standards are just "different set of standard coincidentally different from mine", and thus most of the time I see someone's accuse of a double standard I can only see that as ad hominem/name calling. And how is "double speak" different from "hypocrisy"?
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2013-02-09, 15:37 | Link #6750 | |
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As a rough example, consider the scenario of men and women in the same jobs, where the women are paid less for their time. It's a double standard: men and women are considered equal (at least by western society standards) and they're both performing the same tasks, yet men are being held to a different standard (pay scale) than women. In common usage you're more likely to see "double standard" being applied to behaviors, rules, and judgments, though.
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2013-02-09, 15:53 | Link #6751 | |
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This happens sometimes, when some people complain that they hate BL fanservice, someone else is bound to say that "if the BL service is replaced by yuri service then none of you would've complained, what double standard." or different variations of it, indicating people to stfu. I often see "double standard" being used more in this manner than the example you gave above.
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2013-02-09, 16:03 | Link #6752 | |
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What gets tricky is in how you group things. The way I've grouped it above is to talk about fanservice in general, but what's arguably being discussed is sexual attraction. As a heterosexual male, if I profess attraction for women and repulsion for men, have I set a double standard? One could argue that I have, but it seems a bit ridiculous: men and women are very different when it comes to attraction. So getting back to your example, if people claim that they hate all fanservice in anime, but only complain when they see boys-love fanservice and not when yuri comes up, it is a double standard: they have made a judgement on all fanservice, but are not treating all fanservice equally. On the other hand, if they say that they hate boys-love fanservice but don't talk about yuri, I'm not so sure that the accusation of a double standard would be appropriate.
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Add: Also another separate thing, would this be considered a double standard: Companies not hiring people who don't have sufficient credential or certificates? How about, trusting the police more than your average joe on a security matter?
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2013-02-09, 16:44 | Link #6754 |
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I don't think complaining about a specific form of fanservice would be a double standard, as for viewers Yuri fanservice and Yaoi fanservice are in fact different. So saying "The Yaoi scenes in this show put me off, but I don't mind the Yuri" isn't really a double standard, as you're just stating a preference.
However if you were to say "Yaoi is the cancer that is killing Anime, Yuri is it's salvation!" that would be a double standard, because there you're making a value judgement, whereas before you were simply stating a preference. |
2013-02-10, 05:23 | Link #6756 |
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Need help on knowing which South Park Episode.
Sup guys, I'm looking for the episode and season for these few clips in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSh1fI5qGLk 1. Cartman family reunion 2. Cartman hitting animals in the wild 3. Kitty having a party 4. Cartman gives Kitty a dairy to write in the attic Thanks guys __________________
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^You could have just looked this up on wikipedia or something, but since I remember the clips:
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2013-02-11, 04:42 | Link #6758 |
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Does anyone know what dance this is from 0:46 to 0:51? I think it's the Lollipop dance, but I'm not sure. Or it may be an original creation, but then I saw it somewhere else (which could be possible because this anime is really old and famous).
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I don't think it's an original creation though. |
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2013-02-11, 09:13 | Link #6760 | |
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I found another video with it, at 0:55 to 1:07 to the song Lollipop. But it came from NicoNico Douga, meaning chances are pretty high it's just based off of when Urusei Yatsura did it. But maybe not? |
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