Zero no Tsukaima Novels Discussion Thread

[Homura7]

Because the last two volumes were outlined, someone else or his relatives should be able to finish his work.

[Miraluka]

Perhaps, the editor could publish the remaining 2 volumes as a postume work like it happened with Trinity Blood.

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by Michael Jung

Can somebody give me a link to the summaries for Volumes 17~20?

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threa...on-etc.220679/

Links are somewhere in here.

[BladeEntity]

Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

Because the last two volumes were outlined, someone else or his relatives should be able to finish his work.

Any confirmation that it was outlined or that wishfull thinking. Anyway planning to only start reading if its completed, I can't stand incompletion.

[amtro]

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

Any confirmation that it was outlined or that wishfull thinking. Anyway planning to only start reading if its completed, I can't stand incompletion.

In spring 2011 Noboru Yamaguchi took a leave from work to undergo operation, he said that vol 21 would be delayed at least for 2 months.
Since then he returned to work in late 2011 and continued until Autum 2012 when it was evident that he was too sick to continue. He confirmed during that time that vol 21 was complete and only 22 remained.
Further reports indicate that he had gotten quite far on it already and in one twitter post he confirmed that ZnT would span for 22 volumes, thus implying that the ending was already planned and only had to be written down.
Furthermore he was involved with the creation of the fourth season of the ZnT anime and was very satisfied with it, so one can assume that his planned ending would've been similar, but more fleshed out as the LN is in comparison to the anime adaption.

There is a chance of it ZnT continuing towards its intended end, but since we have no official statement from MF Bunko we can only wait and see.
Could anyone go and ask them on their twitter? Please be as polite as you can if you do.

[AKAAkira]

(Hopefully this is the right thread, though this isn't so much LNs as short stories.)

Does anyone know anything about the side stories that supposedly came with ZnT season two DVDs? Someone on Baka-Tsuki forums asked about them (link here), but I couldn't find anything from just Google. (I still have a tiny doubt on whether these short stories even exist, much less finding the titles of them.)

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by AKAAkira

Does anyone know anything about the side stories that supposedly came with ZnT season two DVDs? Someone on Baka-Tsuki forums asked about them (link here), but I couldn't find anything from just Google. (I still have a tiny doubt on whether these short stories even exist, much less finding the titles of them.)

I have the DVDs, and yes -- the short stories do exist as described. There is one short story with in the special booklet that came with the first volume, and there is a six-part short story with each DVD for the second season (in a leaflet included with each). So really it's two short stories, and they're titled as follows:

With first anime DVD 1: とあるメイドのとある一日 (roughly "On a certain day for a certain maid")
6-part series with Futatsu no Kishi: 五年前 ("Five Years Ago")

(Incidentally, each of the six parts of the Five Years Ago series has a full-colour illustration from the light novel illustrator.)

[AKAAkira]

How much did the franchise reveal about Wales?

It's concrete that he's Henrietta's cousin via their fathers, and that he's a triangle wind mage, but that's about it. From LN v2, I guess I can infer that he fits the Determinator trope, and is maybe one of those who holds fast to his pride. LN v4, said he's the "eldest child", I think, so that probably means he has younger brothers? But other than that I don't know much.

[Bakaizer]

after watching the series i felt like tabitha or henrietta deserve to be with saito, or perhaps a harem end

i would really like a full closure, but i'm not expecting anything

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

after watching the series i felt like tabitha or henrietta deserve to be with saito, or perhaps a harem end

You forget that both are queens, their stations simply does not permit for a happy romantic life story. If it were discovered that they enamoured a (former) commoner (and a foreign one at that), it would cause political unrest in their respective kingdoms.
So no.

And harem ends are just downright degrading and humiliating for the girls.

[Bakaizer]

Originally Posted by allfictions

You forget that both are queens, their stations simply does not permit for a happy romantic life story. If it were discovered that they enamoured a (former) commoner (and a foreign one at that), it would cause political unrest in their respective kingdoms.
So no.

And harem ends are just downright degrading and humiliating for the girls.

i think everyone already knows that saito is a hero and everyone would be glad him to be a king because of his efforts. and also i guess that's your own personal opinion regarding harem ends but that still depends on the girls choice. it may or may not necessary be embarrassing and why would that be humiliating

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

after watching the series i felt like tabitha or henrietta deserve to be with saito, or perhaps a harem end

i would really like a full closure, but i'm not expecting anything

While I am big fan of Harem End, but I don't think Tabitha and Henrietta should be Saito's women. They simply aren't good enough to be Saita's women.

[darkofficer]

Originally Posted by noobita

While I am big fan of Harem End, but I don't think Tabitha and Henrietta should be Saito's women. They simply aren't good enough to be Saita's women.

OBJECTION!!!

At least they are better then Louise

[Flying Dagger]

Henrietta: richer, prettier, more influential, kinder
Plus marrying her will likely save her from the fate of an eventual political marriage.

[Awrya]

Sorry to interrupt your discussion, but why is this thread in the Manga & Light Novels section and not the Zero no Tsukaima section?

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

i think everyone already knows that saito is a hero and everyone would be glad him to be a king because of his efforts. and also i guess that's your own personal opinion regarding harem ends but that still depends on the girls choice. it may or may not necessary be embarrassing and why would that be humiliating

Being a Hero doesn't put you above the social conventions. Halkeginia's society does not work like in fairy tales. It is even mentionned in the novels by Colbert that a scandal may occur if something like this would be known. Keep in mind that Halkeginia is like the Earth's 17th century, an era of political conspiracies and intrigues. There are still nobles not supportive of the Queen, and sometimes nobles have their own private armies, they can easily make an alliance and attempt to overthrow the Queen and put someone of their liking in her place. Don't you know that every decision Henrietta makes she has to compromise with the nobility? She can't just do as she damn pleases, you know?

And there is the social norms. For ages in Halkeginia, royals married royals, the fact that a Hero comes out of nowhere and saves the world isn't going to bring down ages-old traditions and customs just because ''he is the Hero''. He will be thanked and rewarded as he deserves, but that's it. They will not make him King just for that.

Finally, harems end.

Spoiler for Rant:

Yes I dislike them with a passion. To make everyone happy in a harem series with all of their ideal ends is unrealistic and almost all scenarios require compromises of some kind since as such are the consequences of choice in a harem series. And that is what my main problem with Harems are; it makes the girls look shallow. There are a lot of other guys out there, they almost makes up half of the world's human population. Thinking that one person is the only best is wrong. There are always other people out there, people that could be just as good, if not better, than 'that one guy'' in terms of emotional understanding.

Honestly, the only way a harem end is even the slightest bit sensible for a work is if the story is set in a setting where societal conditions (the male/female ratio and the general conception of marriage, among others) make a harem a viable and sustainable option. In near real world settings, harems wouldn't last beyond the courtship period because no one on either side is socialized with maintaining a large group marriage in mind.

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by allfictions

Being a Hero doesn't put you above the social conventions. Halkeginia's society does not work like in fairy tales. It is even mentionned in the novels by Colbert that a scandal may occur if something like this would be known. Keep in mind that Halkeginia is like the Earth's 17th century, an era of political conspiracies and intrigues. There are still nobles not supportive of the Queen, and sometimes nobles have their own private armies, they can easily make an alliance and attempt to overthrow the Queen and put someone of their liking in her place. Don't you know that every decision Henrietta makes she has to compromise with the nobility? She can't just do as she damn pleases, you know?

And there is the social norms. For ages in Halkeginia, royals married royals, the fact that a Hero comes out of nowhere and saves the world isn't going to bring down ages-old traditions and customs just because ''he is the Hero''. He will be thanked and rewarded as he deserves, but that's it. They will not make him King just for that.

A legendary warrior of Saito's caliber is not someone you want to overthrow, that is assuming you can convince people of your country to raise arms against someone who saved the world in the first place. In a way, Saito can provide alternate benefits to the stability of a nation (so instead of becoming strong allies with a neighboring country and gain military support and other trade benefits, you simply get someone who can really keep your country in check).

Saito is not going to be crowned king, but rather act as Herietta's king consort and act as marshal of the force - similar to the current royal family in England.

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

A legendary warrior of Saito's caliber is not someone you want to overthrow, that is assuming you can convince people of your country to raise arms against someone who saved the world in the first place. In a way, Saito can provide alternate benefits to the stability of a nation (so instead of becoming strong allies with a neighboring country and gain military support and other trade benefits, you simply get someone who can really keep your country in check).

Saito is not going to be crowned king, but rather act as Herietta's king consort and act as marshal of the force - similar to the current royal family in England.

''A legendary warrior of Saito's caliber''?
If I remember right, the whole takedown of the Ancient Dragon was a collective effort and Saito simply gave the final blow.

So much for ''legendary''. And I doubt one guy is going to stay alive long on his own, Saito is not a Super Saiyan, he has obvious limitations and there are ways to defeat him.

But I agree that Saito, the ''Gandalfr, could act as a mean of detterence of some sorts, just no need for him to be put on the throne (hint: see ''the Heavy Wind'').

[Sixth]

@allfictions

Ummmmm..the setting of ZnT was taking at medieval era, which having a concubine is totally acceptable for higher status people. In fact, Henrietta was aware of her grandfather's scandal and she seems doesn't mind about it. She actually encouraged it, and she was willingly to be Saito's women. This is the information I got from anime, so I am not sure whether this is stated in novel or not.

For me, Harem End is not actually bad if the male lead is competent, and the both sides are agreed about it.

Heck, even in modern day, many rich and powerful men have at least one mistress kept in their bays.

[Seitsuki]

I'm glad there are others who seem to hate harems with as burning a passion as I do.

The way most harems are written are downright degrading. There is one 'main' girl (Louise in this case) and the rest are tacked on as liking the MC for pretty much the reason of fanservice. The various additional 'heroines' are made to fill as many niches and fetishes as possible to appeal to different people. Seriously, that's like half the reason they exist. Enough meta; in verse this means that even if a harem end does eventuate they're second best to main girl and are basically getting the scraps. A consolation prize. The whole 'I know I'll never be number one but I'm ok with just being loved even a little' is the most bullshit humiliating train of thought I can imagine slapping someone with. Doesn't help the MC is usually a dense/perverted **** but they attract all the girls anyway because hey we need a story.

That said Seizon is awesome. That's how you do harem right. Most of the time it isn't done right and just showcases all that is wrong with the industry. For the love of god let this genre die.