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Karnot · 2007-10-17, 01:31

Seems like Arakawa has the worst luck ever, anime-wise. First FMA anime was practically ruined by amateurish replotting, and now this... i feel for her, poor woman.

Westlo · 2007-10-17, 01:51

Doesn't Arakawa have nothing to do with the story and only draws the manga?

Karnot · 2007-10-17, 02:16

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Doesn't Arakawa have nothing to do with the story and only draws the manga?

1) So ? Doesnt change the fact that her work is messed with.
2) Its said that she's not only the artist, but in fact the "Hero Tales" is a collaborate project with most plot things being group desicions.

Kirarakim · 2007-10-17, 07:57

Arakawa actually requests that the anime versions of her manga be different from her manga.

Karnot · 2007-10-17, 08:25

Huh ? Is that true ?
Is she enjoying tormenting people with awful screenplays ala FMA ?

CSakuraS · 2007-10-17, 09:41

Well, it's likely that the anime was being made long before the manga. Arakawa was planning the anime with Studio Flag even before her debut as a manga author. So any differences between the manga and anime are completely intentional.

Tsukiyomi · 2007-10-18, 10:49

looks like an interesting new anime. can't believe there isn't more fuss about it

DangerMouse · 2007-10-18, 17:15

Same here, this show needs more people noticing it. Hopefully after people watch the second episode that caps off the second part of the fight and does some more set up we'll see some more thread activity.

Westlo · 2007-10-19, 05:22

I enjoyed the first episode and I'm looking forward to more.

Goty · 2007-10-19, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

Arakawa actually requests that the anime versions of her manga be different from her manga.

I'm pretty sure Arakawa wasn't very happy about how FMA anime ended up, she even made a comic strip expressing her disgust towards Studio Bones..

Anyway...judging by the first episode Hero Tales looks generic as hell, but somehow it kept me interested. Let's see how it goes on.

Kirarakim · 2007-10-19, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Goty

I'm pretty sure Arakawa wasn't very happy about how FMA anime ended up, she even made a comic strip expressing her disgust towards Studio Bones..

I think a lot of people take that comic out of context. It's more likely she was joking. She never actually commented on how she felt about the anime.

However even if she disapproved of the anime the fact is she does want the anime and manga to be different.

And I am not trying to defend the anime versions. Because I do like the FMA manga a lot more than the anime. And so far I like the Juushin Enbu manga better than the anime as well.

Eclipze · 2007-10-19, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Goty

I'm pretty sure Arakawa wasn't very happy about how FMA anime ended up, she even made a comic strip expressing her disgust towards Studio Bones..

Mind linking to that so-called disgust-towards-studio-bones comic strip? (pic or purchasing link) Because the way I see it, only manga fanatics are making a big fuss over the changes the anime made. And I definitely won't call the change "amateurish replotting", because no other anime adaptation has had so much planning and effort put into place to come up with original material of its quality, all the while keeping the anime fairly consistent (with the manga material they've animated).

This isn't the place to bash Bones, and this sure as hell isn't the way to judge the anime (with only a few episodes out so far) just because "another of Arakawa's work was previously messed with".

Westlo · 2007-10-19, 16:19

Yeah it's not like FMA got treated like Samurai Deeper Kyo....

Karnot · 2007-10-19, 22:59

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because no other anime adaptation has had so much planning and effort put into place to come up with original material of its quality,

I'm sorry, what quality is that ? Even if i didnt read the manga, second half of anime is quite strikingly different in plot detail and quality. Everything gets oversimplified and cliche'd. No thanks. Please no more "original material of its quality".

Westlo · 2007-10-20, 13:13

Yeah second half of FMA was clearly on the same level as Naruto and Bleach filler, 3rd season of Rurouni Kenshin and Da Capo season II.

Sonhex · 2007-10-20, 14:26

Spoiler for ep 2:

I didn't notice any 'dramatic' drop in quality in ep two. One or two shots were a bit rough, but that's just lazy artwork not poor animation. These are forgiveable because the direction is tight enough to smooth them over without being too jarring. Having said that it's typical of an anime become a bit more budget conscious after a good opening episode, so it's not unexpected to see some corners being cut. I'll be quite happy if ep 2 is the standard for the whole series. It could be a lot worse.

Oh, and Taitou's vein popping beserker state reminds me of Pat Mills' Slaine comics; when Slaine used to do his 'warp spasm' and vent fountains of blood. Anyone read that comic?

CSakuraS · 2007-10-21, 22:22

Spoiler for Episode 3...:

Randomly, I wonder just what target audience they're expecting for this show, since they keep showing the men in their loincloths? O_o Every time they take a dip in the water, Laila is the only one who manages to keep her clothes on. Not that I'm complaining, but it's....odd.

Karnot · 2007-10-22, 01:13

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Randomly, I wonder just what target audience they're expecting for this show, since they keep showing the men in their loincloths? O_o Every time they take a dip in the water, Laila is the only one who manages to keep her clothes on. Not that I'm complaining, but it's....odd.

Inukami went much further with male nudity, and i know many males who absolutely worship the title...

Sonhex · 2007-10-22, 06:35

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Originally Posted by CSakuraS

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Randomly, I wonder just what target audience they're expecting for this show, since they keep showing the men in their loincloths? O_o Every time they take a dip in the water, Laila is the only one who manages to keep her clothes on. Not that I'm complaining, but it's....odd.

Arakawa likes her honed male bodies. FMA had plenty of shirtless Ed and others. The female contingent is a huge audience to have onboard with any new show, so perhaps that's the plan. Having said that I don't want to see the wind being blown up Ryuko's loincloth under any circumstances.

Perhaps things will change when Rinmei turns up...

Karnot · 2007-10-28, 13:00

This series seems to be totally ignored...too bad.

2007-10-18, 10:49	Link #47
Tsukiyomi step closer to Amaterasu Join Date: Apr 2004	looks like an interesting new anime. can't believe there isn't more fuss about it __________________ He whose strength is flawless

2007-10-20, 14:26	Link #56
Sonhex Not dead. Yet. Graphic Designer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK	Spoiler for ep 2: I enjoyed the Taitou vs Shimei fight. It gives us a good idea of Taitou's beserker powers; speed, agility, strength but lacking in any form of control or focus. I liked how Shimei soon realised he had underestimated his opponent, shortly before he gets impaled with a flaming tree. Nice move that. It seems Laila's headbutts seem to be the best way to snap Taitou out of beserker mode. I wonder if she'll do that every time he loses it? I also wonder if he can resist the urge to kill Ryuku when he goes beserk. So I guess now the fun begins as they leave on their adventure. I suspect it'll be a few episodes of introductions and villain of the week before the real story kicks in. Arakawa's a bold writer, not afraid to shock and deliver some genuine surprises, so I wonder how much of that we'll get here. This'll be the real test of Hero Tales, how it handles this well trodden path. Hopefully it'll continue with it's solid start. I didn't notice any 'dramatic' drop in quality in ep two. One or two shots were a bit rough, but that's just lazy artwork not poor animation. These are forgiveable because the direction is tight enough to smooth them over without being too jarring. Having said that it's typical of an anime become a bit more budget conscious after a good opening episode, so it's not unexpected to see some corners being cut. I'll be quite happy if ep 2 is the standard for the whole series. It could be a lot worse. Oh, and Taitou's vein popping beserker state reminds me of Pat Mills' Slaine comics; when Slaine used to do his 'warp spasm' and vent fountains of blood. Anyone read that comic?

2007-10-21, 22:22	Link #57
CSakuraS Canon Whore Join Date: Aug 2007	Spoiler for Episode 3...: I'm a bit disappointed....I don't want to compare it to the manga too much, but it's kinda hard not to with this episode. It tried to accomplish the same things as the second chapter of the manga (namely, introducing Koyou and developing Ryuukou & Taitou's relationship), but it just didn't work as well. For one, Ryuukou and Koyou both show a lot more personality in the manga than they do in the anime. Because of that, I didn't feel anything when Ryuukou stopped calling Taitou "Taitou-dono," because they didn't put any importance behind it and we didn't see Ryuukou's uptight-ness first. Whereas in the manga, that was a definite "AWW" moment for me. Now I'd like to see the story branching off from the manga even more, or else I might keep making comparisons instead of enjoying the anime on its own. At least it looks like they'll be doing that with Housei, since in the preview for episode 4 they have a "Is he GOOD or EVIL?" thing going with him. Randomly, I wonder just what target audience they're expecting for this show, since they keep showing the men in their loincloths? O_o Every time they take a dip in the water, Laila is the only one who manages to keep her clothes on. Not that I'm complaining, but it's....odd.

2007-10-17, 01:31	Link #41
Karnot Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	Seems like Arakawa has the worst luck ever, anime-wise. First FMA anime was practically ruined by amateurish replotting, and now this... i feel for her, poor woman.

2007-10-17, 01:51	Link #42
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	Doesn't Arakawa have nothing to do with the story and only draws the manga?

2007-10-17, 07:57	Link #44
Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Arakawa actually requests that the anime versions of her manga be different from her manga.

2007-10-17, 08:25	Link #45
Karnot Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	Huh ? Is that true ? Is she enjoying tormenting people with awful screenplays ala FMA ?

2007-10-17, 09:41	Link #46
CSakuraS Canon Whore Join Date: Aug 2007	Well, it's likely that the anime was being made long before the manga. Arakawa was planning the anime with Studio Flag even before her debut as a manga author. So any differences between the manga and anime are completely intentional.

2007-10-18, 17:15	Link #48
DangerMouse Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006	Same here, this show needs more people noticing it. Hopefully after people watch the second episode that caps off the second part of the fight and does some more set up we'll see some more thread activity.

2007-10-19, 05:22	Link #49
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	I enjoyed the first episode and I'm looking forward to more.

2007-10-19, 16:19	Link #53
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	Yeah it's not like FMA got treated like Samurai Deeper Kyo....

2007-10-20, 13:13	Link #55
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	Yeah second half of FMA was clearly on the same level as Naruto and Bleach filler, 3rd season of Rurouni Kenshin and Da Capo season II.

2007-10-28, 13:00	Link #60
Karnot Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	This series seems to be totally ignored...too bad.