2013-09-22, 19:17 | Link #9342 | |
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Like I said, you can say that Destiny is using bad science, and if that is a flaw for you, fine. But that's no excuse to say that Freedom can't do it. So it doesn't matter, either Freedom could do it all along and Kira simply chose to get a free ride from the Kusanagi anyway, or it's a new upgrade. And I've already addressed the inconsistency "issue." |
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2013-09-22, 19:40 | Link #9346 | |
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2-insane acceleration that would kill any human = Kira not normal human (Ultimate Coordinator = He enter the Earth sphere without MS prepared for Earth entry and only got some high fever) 3-gamesark |
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2013-09-22, 19:41 | Link #9347 | |
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2013-09-22, 19:47 | Link #9348 | ||
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2013-09-22, 19:52 | Link #9349 |
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Kira's survival of the reentry isn't just because he's a Coordinator (and at this point it was too early to reveal the Ultimate Coordinator bit, and if you believe Fukuda's retcon nonsense, his being the Ultimate Coordinator isn't as ultimate as you think). It's also because the G-Weapons were designed to be reentry capable. The Freedom and Justice, having been developed from the G-Weapons, also had this capability.
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2013-09-22, 20:04 | Link #9350 |
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Kira also only gets a fever because he was knocked out of a controlled rentry and fried for a while before AA landed under him, surving because he was a coordinator. With Freedom he does it properly (shield blocking the heat, and using Himat to control his descent) and thus is perfectly unharmed.
As far as having nuclear thrusters, either they do, or the Nuclear reactor is somehow converted into thruster fuel because it's mentioned Freedom and Justice can operate indefinitely without resupply, and Kira flies from Plant to earth, fights in the Alaska battle and escapes the explosion, and says Freedom STILL doesn't need to be resupplied because it has a nuclear power. Likewise Athrun also flies to Earth, retraces Kira's path, and follows him several days all the way Orb and then fights against the Druggies, again without ever stopping to refuel. Or it's possible all CE MS's just have some kind of infinite fuel supply, because fuel is never ever shown to be an issue, with any them. |
2013-09-22, 20:06 | Link #9351 | |
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It's not about refusing to acknowledge any flaw, it's about you ignoring my response. |
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2013-09-22, 20:21 | Link #9352 | |
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So the Freedom CAN NOT have nuclear thrusters. Turnabout's a bitch, then, isn't it? Like I said, there's no point in continuing this debate with you. There's no point in continuing ANY SEED debate with you. You are completely incapable of seeing flaw in the show and will actively defend any problem with it no matter what is presented to you.
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2013-09-22, 20:27 | Link #9353 | |
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What turnabout? You're the one who keeps ignoring my points and yet you're the who likes to accuse me of ignoring yours. That's not a turnabout, that's hypocritical on your part.
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But you don't do that, you just go back to whining that I don't acknowledge SEED's problem. |
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2013-09-22, 20:40 | Link #9354 |
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You have ignored my points! Mine AND Kuroi's! You've ignored it simply because that's how it was depicted in the show and using insane logic and what-ifs! Your logic paints an inconsistency when you said yourself you'd be against such inconsistencies!
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2013-09-22, 20:42 | Link #9355 | |
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So it must get its infinite power to its thrusters somehow. It's possible they run on electrical power, like the rest of the MS. Or it has some kind of system to convert nuclear power into fuel for the thrusters. Considering its mentioned that fossil fuels were long abandoned in CE in favor of better and more sustainable power sources they obviously run on some kind of super high tech fuel and not jet or rocket fuel. |
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2013-09-22, 20:57 | Link #9356 | |
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The fuel used, no matter it be jet fuel or rocket fuel or who the fuck knows what fuel, won't change a damn thing as for its inability to get into space on its own power. The equations are still the same. The only change would be in the efficiency; the drive would burn hotter and fuel will burn better, but it won't change a damn thing in its ability to get out of the planet's gravitational pull if it doesn't have the deltaV budget. And fuel conversion's still a mess thanks to thermodynamics anyway; each conversion would be affected by entropy. It's the same mess as the HDNR all over again.
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2013-09-22, 21:15 | Link #9357 | ||
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I pointed out that this is fiction, but I also acknowledge that this can be bad science and that this may be a problem for some people. But even with that problem (notice that I did not say it's not a problem), the show is still indicating that Freedom can go to space on its own, bad science or not. Quote:
I didn't act like Destiny did not have inconsistency because it's some kind of a masterpiece. I justified my reasoning of why there is no inconsistency with Freedom being able to go to space because of what Lacus and Andrew said. |
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2013-09-23, 00:55 | Link #9359 |
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I'm not so sure about that.
Seed started in CE 71, and from my understanding CE 1 was actually 2015. So CE 71 would be 2086. Even so, if tech advanced at a similar rate as it did from 1915 to 1986 who knows what may be possible. |
2013-09-23, 01:11 | Link #9360 |
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I'm sorry, I don't understand what is stopping Freedom from leaving the Earth's atmosphere and accelerating into space. It's using rockets that clearly defy the Earth's gravity. As long as it has the fuel to maintain thrust, shouldn't it be able to accelerate indefinitely?
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