2010-11-19, 23:03 | Link #141 | |
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We actually recently added a line to the Spoiler Policy to address this point:
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I don't think the issue is so much what the policy says, it's that people don't pay attention and let their first instincts take over. They just see that we have a spoiler tag, and think "as long as I use this tag I can spoil whatever I want" whereas the point of of the spoiler policy is actually the opposite: most spoilers are forbidden, but a few exceptions are okay inside the tags. That's what we try to convey through the wording, but the problem is that most other sites don't do it this way, so you have to fight people's instincts a bit.
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2010-11-19, 23:32 | Link #142 |
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I think someone should also edit monir's post in order to reflect the change. I didn't notice this was actually included in the Forum FAQ (checking the forum guidelines seemed more intuitive for me).
I agree with you that the issue lies with the person posting the spoiler (and perhaps the people replying to them). maybe changing the name of the tag to something else might turn off that instinct, but that would create a different set of problems. |
2010-11-20, 08:07 | Link #143 | |
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So if you don't want to be spoiled then don't go to the sub-forum it's the only advice I can give If a new anime series is announced the moderator will have a lot of work to make the regular of this sub-forum follow the rules |
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2010-11-21, 17:09 | Link #144 | |
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Automated anti-spoiler is simply not possible, it requires understanding the language, which no computer is capable of doing - not to speak of some PHP scripts ^^ At best white/black lists may exist, but most spoilers don't rely on a single words, but rather on meanings. Well, as I said, that's exactly what I did ^^ |
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2010-11-21, 18:58 | Link #145 | |
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At the moment you only get infractions, or if the issue becomes heated, moderators tend to give out temporary bans (the key word here is "temporary"). None of these prevent people from either misunderstanding the rules (as discussed above), prevent the "victims" (you) from getting hurt, or the rest of us (who are somewhere in the middle) from getting caught in the crossfire. As for implementing, it's not that hard to make really, since all the system would do is add another "you have insufficient rights" criteria. The only difficulty here would be how to integrate it to vBulletins current* authorization system (which I believe only works at the forum level). I'd like to think it's easier overall then somehow communicating with text to people that don't read, as well as to those of us that do read them but fail to get those "key lines" (see above discussion) in the tl;dr legal statement. * probably not the best word, given the forum version we're using
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2010-11-22, 13:34 | Link #146 |
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I approve of what Felix suggested but honestly, wouldn't that increase the workload for moderators ? Atleast in the beginning when they need to approve lots of posts.
There's also something I'd like to suggest although it probably isn't possible but I'll ask anyway : When using spoiler tags, would it be possible for it to require you to define what the spoiler is about before the message can be posted ? I've been spoiled at several occasions just because people don't always bother to write what the spoiler is about and if I look, it might be from manga/novel/game instead of the anime. This generally happens with series that don't have their own subforum so people hide their posts about the latest episode in spoiler tags.
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2010-11-22, 13:47 | Link #147 | |
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Spoiler for spoiler:
The whole point of the description is to be specific about what will be discussed so that people know whether it's safe to open the tag. But the fact that people seem to really suck at doing this (being considerate of others) is the reason why we had to adopt this new spoiler policy in the first place.
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2010-11-22, 16:15 | Link #149 |
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Regarding the whitelisting proposal, I want to say that the people who are most likely to violate the spoiler policy aren't typically new posters who don't know the rules. They're long-time posters who get too caught up in the discussion and don't remember that there are lines they should not cross. They think they're doing people a favour by correcting their premature judgements and wrong speculations because they want everyone else to be able to appreciate the show the way they do.
You've got the occasional troll, but I'd say 80%+ of the spoiler warnings/infractions I issue are for long-time forum members, and often when people have often been warned of the issue before. This is why I say the issue is failing to show consideration for others.
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2010-11-22, 19:34 | Link #150 |
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With subforum series, the problem is easy to solve -- often there's a "spoilerific" thread created for posters who've seen the source material, etc etc.
The single thread series are the ones tougher to handle (and for me as well I have to remind myself all the time).
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Also, like I said earlier it would be ideal to integrate it with the current system in vB; moderators (and above) get little check boxes next to post and also "select all" type checkboxes, so it's not that laborious to mass approve posts as it sounds. Quote:
If I remember right, I only scanned the title, but it's trivial to make it scan the entire text body.
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2011-04-21, 01:27 | Link #152 |
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Apparently I received -16 reputation points for posting "nice spoilers". Is this really such a huge deal that negative reputation points need to be handed out to the guy who got spoiled?
All I did was hear on the news that a huge earthquake hit near Tokyo, so a friend told me some discussion on how reality and anime differ happened in the Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 thread. Really, -16 reputation points for possibly publicly warning anyone else who hadn't seen TM8 yet? Is it just because it was a short post? Because I've certainly posted much more controversial stuff about anime episodes that never got me -16 reputation points.
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This is not related directly to the spoiler policy per see, but it is something I have seen people complain in the past about, so I may as well clear this up here and now.
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Oh, and bringing up facts about TM8 here does count as posting spoilers, so your post will be edited for that. Quote:
And in case you are wondering.... then no, this is not the place to talk about reputation and any posts trying to further discuss this will be deleted. (if you still have questions about this, then do it through PM instead).
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2011-04-23, 20:50 | Link #155 | |
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(seen character development characterized as "filler" too many times...)
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2011-04-23, 21:29 | Link #156 |
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The spoiler policy allows for "comparing events in an adaptation to the way they were presented in the source material or other adaptations" as long as it's behind clearly-marked spoiler tags. So as long as you're talking about things that have already been shown in the adaptation, it'd be okay to compare to the source material. So that sort of "was this in the source or not" conversation would be okay behind spoiler tags. But, on the other hand, you cannot use your knowledge of the source material to speculate about future events or things yet to be adapted. So you couldn't go into conversations about "next week's episode will be filler" or "next week's episode is back to the manga where such-and-such happens..." or whatever. That sort of conversation has to go to the appropriate source material thread.
I do agree with Vexx, though... I don't think most forumites could clearly articulate or agree on what "Filler" really is in the first place.
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2011-04-24, 05:06 | Link #157 | |
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Of course when I mentioned filler earlier I was only using the term as a means of saying “giving information of what is canon and what is not”. Well anyway, issue resolved; I think.
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2011-05-05, 11:16 | Link #158 |
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I believe the spoiler policy dictates that no spoilers regarding future events from <media A> are to be posted within <media B>'s thread, even under spoiler tags. How does this policy affect threads of adaptations(usually LN/manga -> anime) that have just been revealed as an adaptation? To what extent, if any, are we allowed to discuss the adaptation's derived content w/o getting an infraction? Are spoiler-tagged posts containing future content allowed?
I ask this because I've seen this happen in some of the newly created threads. The Hidan no Aria thread SEEMED FILLED with various info hinting at what could be spoilers. That's really the only time I've seen it get THAT bad though. |
2011-05-05, 15:44 | Link #159 | |
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Please report any and all offending posts, and the mods will review and infract accordingly. The mods aren't necessarily following every show and reading every thread closely, so we're counting on user reports to help us out. But the principle is: no future-event spoilers and no hints, tags or not.
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2011-09-20, 02:53 | Link #160 | |
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Apologies - I know you're probably quite sick of the issue, and there's no closing Pandora's Box for Usagi Drop anyway. But even though most of the offending posts were just warnings about a change in tone (and thus let be in the thread), it really did affect how I viewed the anime as it was airing, and I'd rather it not happen to anyone else for any other series...
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