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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana III (Final) - Episode 1 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 37 | 32.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 14.04% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 21.05% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 19 | 16.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 13.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.75% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.88% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-10-08, 02:00 | Link #61 | |
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Mystery and intrigue is great, but when you have a very well-developed male lead, and he suddenly starts working with the established antagonist group when there's been no foreshadowing of such a turn before, viewers are naturally going to want to get at least some inkling as to why he is doing this. Do we need to have everything answered up-front? Of course not. But dropping a bombshell characterization change on viewers in the very first episode of a new season without any hints as to "why?" is pretty jarring stuff. Those "hints" are extremely vague statements that tell us nothing in and of themselves. They're not legitimate hints, in my view. They're not much of a place to start at all.
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2011-10-08, 02:05 | Link #62 | |
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What's upsetting me here is the people who demand an explanation on the new change NOW NOW NOW!!! and are acting like petulant children when they don't get their way. Saying that a season will fail because they didn't explain a new twist the moment it appeared is completely unfair, and a VERY stupid reason.
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2011-10-08, 02:08 | Link #63 | |
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Not a single person has voted 4 or below on this thread. Not one person has decried this entire season to be crap. In fact, I'm not even sure who you're referring to, but it seems awfully condescending. Let's not fight demons that don't exist.
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2011-10-08, 02:12 | Link #64 |
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Mostly it was Reckoner and weaponX's posts that set me off, but mostly weaponX--just about every review I see from Reckoner is negative but he generally has good reasons. But I'll admit, I can see signs appearing and after putting up with that kind of crap across several series, my patience is already worn thin on it.
I also haven't even looked at the polls. Those rarely matter to me. I'll try to improve but if the signs I see come to bear, well, told ya so's and such.
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2011-10-08, 02:18 | Link #65 | |
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Of course I can't speak for them, lol... but yea.
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2011-10-08, 02:20 | Link #66 | |||
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Yes, please do us a favor and take your attitude somewhere else. I wasn't happy with the episode. Deal with it. I never insulted any of you guys who liked it. I never said this series is doomed. I just felt the transition was really bad. It's more of a spill over effect from that god awful S2.
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2011-10-08, 02:23 | Link #67 | |
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There was a lot of aspects of season 2 that was bad. But what eventually saved it for me was copious amounts of epicness and ass kicking on the part of Wilhelmina. In addition, this isn't as bad as season 2's opener, which completely negated and disregarded season 1's ending. I'm not saying that the series will be trash. Like I said, Wilhelmina saved season 2. But this episode in of itself was very confusing and disorienting to say the least. A little more explanation or at least buildup would have been nice.
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2011-10-08, 02:25 | Link #68 | |
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But I don't think you can really fault people for not liking Yuji's characterization change. Keep in mind that some people simply dislike because they liked Yuji as he was at the end of Shana Season 2, of course. But hopefully the next episode or two will give us some telling hints there, and much of this current debate will become moot.
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2011-10-08, 02:29 | Link #69 | ||||
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Edit: But the transition has been very clean in which I don't see anything wrong with it. It's just the fact that some things that "hinted" this advancement beforehand were left out of season 2 because the novels were on the short list. Now that the author of the LN is personally watching over this himself. A faithful adaptation will hopefully be placed, but the transition from an anime original to light novel will be very hard to absorb without pre-hints.
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2011-10-08, 02:34 | Link #71 |
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I don't know WTF is happening with Yuji, but I thought that the episode was rather good and I was surprised at how involved I was - it brought back a lot of memories for me. And a little WTF is normally part of Shana, anyway.
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2011-10-08, 04:30 | Link #76 | |
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...And what do you know... It's exactly the same guy Ebara Masashi
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2011-10-08, 04:31 | Link #77 |
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It was pretty unexpected to start the new season out like this. Of course at least can say they aren't going to waste our time like the first half of season 2 felt like (maybe more a quarter, but whatever). This time we are getting right into things and getting into a pretty crazy shift.
Not sure at all what's going on with Yuji and how he suddenly got into this position. But suppose you can say he's finally going to be a force in a fight. Just not sure what he's planning on doing. Talking about changing Shana's fate, but hard to see what exactly about her fate requires such extremes to change. Obviously an eternal war isn't very cheerful, unless you can just seal the Earth off from invasions entirely it's going to keep going like that. Still it's certainly a serious change in things. We've got Satou heading out to Outlaw, Carmel digging through reports, Shana putting some serious training in, and the emotional situation surrounding Yuji's disappearance. Tough to watch his mom when she doesn't appear to remember anything (I say appear since that woman seems amazing enough to overcome that kind of thing ). Anyways will say welcome back Shana and damn things are going to get crazy.
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2011-10-08, 04:51 | Link #78 | |||
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For me, any assessment of the consistence and overall development of the story falls under the "series rating". However, I understand that these do affect some people's enjoyment as they watch an episode. Quote:
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I still think that the story planners had the right idea when they started adapting Shana. Instead of compressing exposition heavy books into a less than suitable format (often with cuts, unnatural pacing for TV, and resources that are too limited to do each arc justice), you craft your story around the runnng time, budget, and season structure. The problem is that to make this work, you probably need to be aware of the end point (both character and plot developments) from the start. Had the novels been completed first and then adapted (or at the very least, the writers had a detailed summary of the entire series when planning each season individually), things might've been a lot less messy. |
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2011-10-08, 05:30 | Link #79 | |
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2011-10-08, 07:45 | Link #80 |
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It was great to see all the characters again, but the disconnect between the end of S2 and the beginning of S3 hints at the possibility of a train wreck, though I doubt that by the end of it I'll be disappointed. I hope.
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