Angel Beats! generic discussion

[Kudryavka]

30+ characters in a 13 episode anime? Gives me the vibe that a) they aren't all gonna get air time, or b)the studio will try to cram in stories for each of the characters in the short anime series and therefore ruin all of the characters' stories.
Or they'll go over a few characters' stories in depth and give samples of the others in the anime, then expand on the others' stories in the other media this "multimedia project" will have.

[Bonta Kun]

Originally Posted by Komari

30+ characters in a 13 episode anime? Gives me the vibe that a) they aren't all gonna get air time, or b)the studio will try to cram in stories for each of the characters in the short anime series and therefore ruin all of the characters' stories.
Or they'll go over a few characters' stories in depth and give samples of the others in the anime, then expand on the others' stories in the other media this "multimedia project" will have.

I don't see it as them all having some screen time to tell stories about each of them, I think some will just appear as simple background characters with a little more personality and character about them. again
Like Samurai Deeper Kyo manga, it has a huge cast but not everyone had backstories about them and I thought it worked out well enough there.

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Because Key working on an original anime project automatically mean Kyoto Animation is involved, right?

We'll be seeing Little Busters this fall, believe me.

I doubt it. If Little Busters was coming this fall, it would probably have been announced by now. I'm not really expecting it before winter 2010.

...Of course, I could be wrong, and it would be awesome if I was, but realistically speaking, I don't see much hope of getting Little Busters this year.

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

I doubt it. If Little Busters was coming this fall, it would probably have been announced by now. I'm not really expecting it before winter 2010.

...Of course, I could be wrong, and it would be awesome if I was, but realistically speaking, I don't see much hope of getting Little Busters this year.

I agree with that. LB will be a major project and to have no announcement three months out seems almost unthinkable. If it happens it won't be before 2010. I'm intrigued by LB, as it seems a bit to the edgier side of Key's ouvre - and I think they desperately need a little edge to cut though the thick treacle that coats their more melodramatic stuff.

As for AB, well - I haven't seen a single thing about the art or the premise that looks remotely interesting to me. But it's Key and Maebara Jun who, for all his considerable faults, does have a talent for melodrama on the major scale, so it's one of those series where you take a few eps on faith and hope for the best.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

...Of course, I could be wrong, and it would be awesome if I was, but realistically speaking, I don't see much hope of getting Little Busters this year.

KyoAni does a Key adaptation every fall season.

They didn't announce Haruhi either, and I'd argue that's more of a major project.

[Westlo]

I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being one cour now and one cour 3-6 months later.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

KyoAni does a Key adaptation every fall season.

They didn't announce Haruhi either, and I'd argue that's more of a major project.

I highly doubt KyoAni are going to launch Little Busters in Fall... being a small studio and all they usually take a break for a season every now and than.

After a 2 season break without releasing anything in Spring 08 and Summer 08 besides a Luck Star OVA they have done.

Fall 08 - Clannad AS
Winter 09 - Munto
Spring 09 - K-ON!
Summer 09 - Haruhi 2 (majority of the new 14 episodes airs this season)
And there's a Munto movie floating around though most of it is already animated.

Was also a break between Haruhi in Spring 2006 and Kanon in Fall 2006.

[Choushinsei]

Kyoani is indeed a small studio, but Little Busters in Fall isn't entirely impossible. Their recent output is really remarkable though, especially in consideration of Kyoani's stance towards outsourcing. Takemoto is now directing Haruhi so Ishihara could be working on another project, but taking a break in Fall wouldn't be wrong for quality's sake, otherwise it could lead to a drop in animation quality (like Munto TV). If Kyoani is planning something for Fall, then they'll probably make an announcement after the last episode of K-ON!.

As for Angel Beats: I really hope they find a good director, Yutaka Yamamoto would be awesome for this kind of project.

[relentlessflame]

In the end, the important point for this thread isn't whether or not Little Busters is coming this Fall, it's that the existence of this other Key-related anime doesn't necessarily preclude it from occurring. It's not that they're doing this *instead*, given that an entirely different team is working on it. So, I think that's the real "take-away" here. If you had asked me before this whole thing was announced, I probably would have guessed they'd take a break this Fall anyway and give it a bit of time to breathe, but ultimately time will tell.

[maximilianjenus]

I was going to get angry because of the derailment, but then again no news about angel beats have been released lately and there is not another media so we can speculate.

[rg4619]

Kyoani is indeed a small studio

For an anime studio, Kyoto Animation is very large. In terms of staff count, they now equal giants like J.C. STAFF and Madhouse.

I guess that more work remains in-house, hence the reduced (albeit increasing) output.

[Choushinsei]

Originally Posted by rg4619

For an anime studio, Kyoto Animation is very large. In terms of staff count, they now equal giants like J.C. STAFF and Madhouse.

Very large? In terms of the number of actual animation staff Kyoani is nowhere near J.C. Staff or Madhouse. The latter two companies are largely outsourcing production steps like digital painting, backgrounds, etc. and especially Madhouse works frequently with freelancers, while Kyoani does nearly everything in-house and still has about only half the number of employees of J.C./Madhouse. That's why comparing the staff count of studios without looking into the details is not necessarily useful.

Sorry for off-topic

[rg4619]

Originally Posted by Choushinsei

Very large? In terms of the number of actual animation staff Kyoani is nowhere near J.C. Staff or Madhouse. The latter two companies are largely outsourcing production steps like digital painting, backgrounds, etc. and especially Madhouse works frequently with freelancers, while Kyoani does nearly everything in-house and still has about only half the number of employees of J.C./Madhouse. That's why comparing the staff count of studios without looking into the details is not necessarily useful.

Sorry for off-topic

I'm aware of that.

However, I just see this as a different approach to output. If we were to look purely at the scale of their operation (in terms of employees, which now number well over 100), KyoAni is still one of the largest studios, no matter how resources are hired or allocated. I'm not referring to the number of simultaneous projects they can accommodate.

[Kudryavka]

Speaking of which, does KyoAni charge high prices to make anime adaptions? I noticed that except K-ON!, they've stuck to series with a lot of money or fans (Haruhi, Lucky Star, Key's games). And also, does the author of the manga approach an animation company when they want an anime made of their comic, or do animation studios choose series that they think are popular? Been wondering this for some time.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by rg4619

However, I just see this as a different approach to output. If we were to look purely at the scale of their operation (in terms of employees, which now number well over 100), KyoAni is still one of the largest studios, no matter how resources are hired or allocated. I'm not referring to the number of simultaneous projects they can accommodate.

You can see the overall art/direction quality dropping, though. Compare Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to the original episodes of Haruhi... although it's still far above the average studio, there's definitely less detail to the characters.

Originally Posted by Komari

Speaking of which, does KyoAni charge high prices to make anime adaptions? I noticed that except K-ON!, they've stuck to series with a lot of money or fans (Haruhi, Lucky Star, Key's games). And also, does the author of the manga approach an animation company when they want an anime made of their comic, or do animation studios choose series that they think are popular? Been wondering this for some time.

I'm wondering this too, though I remember something about KyoAni only animating Haruhi because most of the staff were fans of the novels.

[Kudryavka]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

You can see the overall art/direction quality dropping, though. Compare Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to the original episodes of Haruhi... although it's still far above the average studio, there's definitely less detail to the characters.

Well, that could just be the change of director.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Komari

Well, that could just be the change of director.

If that's the case I prefer the old one. =P

In any case, they should stick to the Key style for Little Busters.


Also, speaking of which, I wonder how Na-Ga's designs for Angel Beats are going to look animated...

[Tempester]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

In any case, they should stick to the Key style for Little Busters.

I assume you know most of the Little Busters characters are designed by Na-Ga. If they animate the characters all looking like Itaru Hinoue's sketchy googly-eyed style I'll be extremely disappointed. Not that I have a problem with Itaru Hinoue's style, but Na-Ga's style seems more streamlined, modern and consistent.

[Kudryavka]

Originally Posted by Tempester

I assume you know most of the Little Busters characters are designed by Na-Ga. If they animate the characters all looking like Itaru Hinoue's sketchy googly-eyed style I'll be extremely disappointed. Not that I have a problem with Itaru Hinoue's style, but Na-Ga's style seems more streamlined, modern and consistent.

Agreed. I think that Na-Ga has more reality in his style, especially in his male character designs. Itaru's is a bit too cartoony for me.

[kenjiharima]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7HAp9xjEQ

Also Breast Compare.

Spoiler for Yuri and Angels breast.:

Ponytail similar to Kyonko and Nagato Yuki Iam in!

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Tempester

I assume you know most of the Little Busters characters are designed by Na-Ga. If they animate the characters all looking like Itaru Hinoue's sketchy googly-eyed style I'll be extremely disappointed. Not that I have a problem with Itaru Hinoue's style, but Na-Ga's style seems more streamlined, modern and consistent.

I know, I know, but the styles are still fairly similar.

Just by looking at Little Busters you can tell it's a Key game, you know what I mean?


So, anyway, I wonder who IS going to be animating this? A-1 seems the logical choice here...