2013-11-04, 18:59 | Link #1182 |
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Don't feel like getting into the argument over game physics, experimentation, etc. But I will put this comment out there:
Historically, a community needs stability socially and with basic necessities, before experimentation/research type things happen beyond day-to-day needs. Akiba is certainly far from stable atm, many people are just trying to earn enough gold just to stay at the inn and afford "soggy crackers" as it were. To say nothing of apparently, the large number of lowbies being exploited. (It's also been less than a month) And maybe most importantly: People are slow to leave behind the mindset of treating the world as a game. Although with Minori's comments about sewing all day, it seems like even in Akiba, people are catching on to how the crafting system works. Also, they may have tried as Shiroe did, but had either no cooking skill or too low of cooking skill unknowingly. Very thorough scientific methods aren't something I would expect out of the average person. Especially when communication is rather limited atm. It's also important to keep in mind that a story is always going to have a narrow focus. Just because you haven't heard about things yet, doesn't mean they won't or aren't already happening in other areas the main characters aren't aware of yet. [snip] Last edited by monir; 2013-11-05 at 03:24. |
2013-11-04, 19:06 | Link #1183 | |
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In LogHora the players literally didnt knew where they were, or even any speck of clue that they were able to go back to the old world, or how did they even got there. So yeah, they are not the same
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2013-11-04, 19:20 | Link #1184 |
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From all of these discussion, something came up to mind.
At this point, it doesn't matter whether the world is currently a supremely sophisticated simulation or alternate world because at the current technological point, they are both equally magical. Now the question is, if this magic can simulate the effects of light, gravity, etc etc, for what purpose do they not simulate taste in pre-made food? I really don't get why these pre-made food have to be tasteless. It shouldn't be that hard to do, especially as we know that raw ingredients actually taste something. If anything, I can only think of a meta narrative reason which is to provide some problem to solve to help the story goes on. But I can't help but feel it's an artificial problem, as opposed to naturally occurring in a narrative.
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2013-11-04, 19:40 | Link #1185 |
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From an in-world perspective, we dont know enough about how this world works to make a good guess, for all we know the elder tales game linked two different dimensions together via MMO and after a while the players who updated to nova sphere got teleported to that world.
But from a story perspective, yea it seems the tasteless food was the trigger added to help revive the community. |
2013-11-04, 19:47 | Link #1186 | |
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2013-11-04, 19:53 | Link #1187 | |
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I got this impression that the New World is an alternate reality that has both game laws and laws of reality. Somehow the Elder Tale game imposed the game law to that reality. That might cause the ingame made food to be tasteless, since in-game, foods probably only serve as hunger-stat reducing or hp/mana recovery items(ie. the game's laws doent provide taste since it was unnecessary in-game). To make food with taste you need to use laws of reality, in other word, cooking manually like in real world . So, A dish need to obey both laws to be made successfully; "reality" for the properties of the food such as taste and texture, and "game" to determine whether the dish succesfully prepared or not And both laws probably affect everything else such as combat or environment. Well, this is a speculation anyway
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2013-11-04, 20:27 | Link #1190 | |
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2013-11-04, 20:41 | Link #1191 | |
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But let's look again to the ball of light Shiroe cast a couple episodes ago. That ball of light actually follows physical laws about light. The game never intended that ball to have any disorienting effects, but it became so by itself because the world become real. Virtually everything else have gained some sort of innate characteristics that the game never built in because the world became real. Everything else but vending food. Weird.
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2013-11-04, 20:54 | Link #1192 |
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Maybe because the food made from item menu doesn't follo the law of that world. They might use the knowledge of the game to live in the alien world but that is not enough because that world also has their own set of world.they need to follow it to too.
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For the food, there is probably no way for the taste to be in the game. In the game, if the food gives out light, it would probably also gives out light in the new reality, but since the taste cannot exist in-game, the food prepared using in game menu would be tasteless. but ingredients still have taste probably because it doesnt go through ingame menu solely For npc unable to make food that have taste, I can think of 2 possible reason 1.Npc use solely ingame menu 2. Npc has no chef subclass, they can only do premade food
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2013-11-04, 21:21 | Link #1194 | |
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2013-11-04, 21:38 | Link #1196 |
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I think that we might be looking at this incorrectly, rather than saying that food was not programmed to have taste it could also be safe to assume that maybe the taste of food was taken out when using the menu to prepare food and only a chief could bring back the taste.
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2013-11-04, 21:46 | Link #1197 | |
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2013-11-04, 21:50 | Link #1198 | |
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Another theory is Elder Tale game becomes its own alternate reality. Elder tale was probably just a game, but after the Apocalypse, it isnt a game anymore. It become its own reality. Unlike earlier theory, it is the other way. A world that has only "game" laws suddenly have "reality" laws. There are pros and cons in both theory, but the end result is practically the same and indistinguishable : A reality that has both "game" and "reality" laws
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2013-11-04, 21:56 | Link #1199 | |
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That's my conclusion to. The realistic elements present in the need to defecate and wash along with the food that only has taste when cooked manually implies intent. Assuming that there is a mastermind, I would guess that the intent behind all this is to force players to accept Elder Tale as their new reality. With this in mind, there might not even be a way to return to the original world. |
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2013-11-04, 21:59 | Link #1200 |
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Rather than saying it's either Real or Programmed world, it looks to me like both literaly merged together and have traits of either of them into some degree. And sometimes like in meals cases there is some incompatibility...
...or something like that. |
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