2011-09-29, 02:33 | Link #41 |
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I too have a small hope that he was secretly taken into the royal guard, or that maybe he just survived on his own, disappeared and continued living as a rogue. If he survived, I'm sure he'll have an epic return. Gin is a killer who thinks 100 years ahead of everyone else.
As for his morals, I'm sure everyone knows that he was a sadistic S.O.B. He said it himself; he did everything for Matsumoto, not for the sake of some vague justice like punishing evil. Other than that, he was a snake, searching for prey with his tongue and devouring anything that looked tasty. He never said "to protect my friends/family/town etc." He wasn't a hero, he wasn't even an anti-hero, and to me he wasn't a villain either. He was just Gin. |
2011-09-29, 02:36 | Link #43 | |
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Ulquiorra - Killed by Hollow Ichigo. Grimmjow - Survived Hallibel - Survived Tousen - I don't even know what the hell happened to him. Gin - Killed by Aizen Dondorri - Killed himself fighting other hollows. Afro reject espada that fought Chad - survived All the other dead espada and fraccion - Weren't sympathetic. Now look at everyone Ichigo has fought. Despite some nameless hollow in the first arc, who has he actually directly killed? No one. As for good guys being bad...well I've made my beef about that as well. Kubo randomly throws in morally ambiguous freaks like Mayuri and Kenpachi and has Soul Society do some damn dickish things for pretty much no reason. All the black that Kubo tries to shove on Soul Society really just feels forced, as if he trying to make them look grey but fails miserably. And all the antagonists that Kubo makes sympathetic still don't really justify the position they actually take. in the end even if it's not completely Black and White. You can still distinguish the lighter grey from the darker grey very very easily.
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2011-09-29, 07:14 | Link #49 | |
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With the exception of Rangiku, who was his one and only friend, the rest of the shinigami in SS treated him like scum. Think back to Rukia's reaction towards him during her SS trial. Byakuya as well. You get the impression right from season 1 that no one in SS trusted him and they looked down on him. I think he was completely justified in letting them fend for themselves. When you've spent your entire life only knowing the worst mankind has to offer, where do you learn compassion? In any case, whatever you may think of Gin's character, you have to admire his tenacity. Imagine the amount of patience it must have taken to pretend to be allied with someone you wanted to revenge kill for CENTURIES. He said it took decades before he learned the secret of his zanpakto, and not only that but he had to give up the one true friend he ever had to reach his goal. What bothered me about how T.K. dealt with Gin wasn't that he didn't redeem him, it was that he didn't give those two a proper ending. They deserved one and he robbed them of it in favour of a flashy Ichigo/Aizen showdown that amounted to nothing. It was his once chance to inject some feeling into this manga, to make readers actually feel something for the characters and he let the ship sail. Stupid move IMO.
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2011-09-29, 07:34 | Link #50 |
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Hmm, the fights might be one sided, but they have two good things going on...first, they're fun because they contain total ass-whooping, and second they're short enough for that not to be a problem. Not interested in the FB's backstory though, if they just die like Giriko it would still be satisfying.
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2011-09-29, 08:19 | Link #51 | ||
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While I understand Gin's motives and think he was a cool character. I think his actions are far from justified. Guy was obsessed with revenge to the point where there ceases to be much of anything sympathetic about it. Rangiku was beaten, but it's not like she died or anything. She didn't even get any scars. For that, Gin abandons her and dedicates his life to revenge against Aizen, becoming a traitor and by aiding Aizen, indirectly exposing Matsumoto to far greater trauma than what he initially intended to get revenge for. She literally got her abdomen tore out fighting Aizen's forces, but that didn't seem to matter much to Gin, as long he was able to get revenge. After Aizen's defeat, there's no place for Gin among the good guys or bad guys. I suppose if Kubo wanted to give him a happy ending, he could've had him say goodbye to Matsumoto, slip into an undetectable gigai and escape into the living world.
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2011-09-29, 09:01 | Link #52 | |
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This battles don't do a thing! Shinigamis don't even show any new moves! FB are a set of new characters about whom I don't care, Kubo didn't make them likeble at all. And if Kubo plans to kill them all and be forgotten then there is even less reason showing all those match ups seperately for 5 chapters! Just finish them off already! Seriously, Kubo is the slowest person I have ever seen. I so hope his money cow will finally slim down! Maybe he will finally start to think then! Besides I still didn't give up on idea that FB might still pull a trick and turn the tides as it usually happens.
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2011-09-29, 16:16 | Link #53 | |
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Also about the chapter pretty boring again. More blah blah blah i'm powerful than they get one shot by the captain. Next week Ikaku one shots the other guy! |
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2011-09-29, 16:29 | Link #54 | |
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I don't know what's more sad, the chapter or the fact Kubo is getting paid to write this crap.
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Technically there is some blood there, since he didn't manage to save her even though she was right there.
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2011-09-29, 16:56 | Link #55 |
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What would make me more than happy is finding out that (by chance) he might have re-hired assistants who are writing these chapters while Kubo is working on the next arc
(Wishful thinking, but it gets me through the horrors of the week)
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2011-09-29, 17:13 | Link #56 |
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Kubo seems to be trying to inject some depth to the antagonists these two past chapters with the hints of a sad backstory, but I feel it's a bit late to be introducing this kind of thing. It might have been moving if their backstories were hinted at or show earlier like when Ichigo first met the Fullbringers, but now it feels like a half-hearted attempt to develop characters who didn't have much depth.
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2011-09-29, 20:03 | Link #59 |
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I've come to expect that approach from this series now if it's any villain we're supposed to care about, Giriko being the least popular FB in this case. Definitely doesn't work when Kubo's rushing the fights either. One page worth of backstory is pretty funny in retrospect during a second read. ie: Oh no, Yukio's an orphan! Aww, no one loved Jackie =(
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