To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by Sackett

1: It still shows that they intended to bluff about using the book, so why not bluff that they had decoded it?

Focus on this:

Spoiler for novel text:

“No way! If you do so, she’ll memorize the correct content of ‘The Book of the Law’! That means that even more magicians will want her!”

“Are you worrying about me?”

Index, who only treated Stiyl as "somebody who has nothing to do with her", asks suspiciously. Stiyl, who treats Index as an "old friend", doesn’t know how to reply, and his face is flushed red. But Stiyl smacks his mouth again, not saying anything more. Stiyl is clear that Index already knows that the magicians are chasing after her, so no reason will stop her. Besides, there’s no other way out.

Stiyl thinks for a while. Conflicting thoughts are inside his head like angels fighting against each other. He suddenly shouts,

“Kamijou Touma!”

“What… what now?”

“You have to be even stronger! If there’s any consequence that harms her in any way, I’ll burn your body, heart, and soul until there’s not even ash!”

Stiyl then cursed, smacks his mouth again, and turns around. Index still looks like she doesn’t know what’s going on, as she’s somewhat bewildered by Stiyl’s anger. Tatemiya looks at Kamijou with a profound meaning, then turns to look at Stiyl. Kamijou thinks, “Please don’t look at me like that.”

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...

In this desperate situation, he gives a faint smile.

It’s useless.

Their only hope is gone.

Kamijou frantically tries to bring Index and Orsola out the back door, but accidentally knocks into Stiyl, who’s wielding a flame sword. The rune cards, which were supposed to be the killer blow, land on the ground without response.

What does this tell us? Hint: there are at least 4 messages here. And yes, this part was in the anime.

[Jarmel]

Originally Posted by Ice Block

The only way to destroy any original grimoire without resorting to Imagine Breaker is to decode it first. And do you even remember what happens when you even try to read and understand the text of an original grimoire? Learn to pay attention.

You'll have to bloody excuse me. I forgot a minor detail in the first season that was over a year ago. Jesus.

The point with that anyway is why did they even bother to attempt to decode it in the first place if it was so deadly?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

You'll have to bloody excuse me. I forgot a minor detail in the first season that was over a year ago. Jesus.

Excuse me? It was just 2 episodes ago.

Touma asked why couldn't they just burn the book, to which Index and then later Orsula replied that you can't destroy a Grimoire.

Originally Posted by Jarmel

The point with that anyway is why did they even bother to attempt to decode it in the first place if it was so deadly?

Because she wanted to destroy the grimoires. Magicians have been fighting over them for ages, she wanted to destroy them to end the fighting.

This was also from 2 episodes ago.

[Ashaman]

Er, that was addressed in the first episode of the second season. The archer dude.

It was also addressed whan Orsola was speaking to touma; she told him how Grimoire's can't be destroyed without understanding them firsst (or was that Styl) IB prob could though.

You need to decode it to destroy it - this is what Orsola was trying to do.

As long as it exists, there is a possiblity of them either fighting over it, or decoding it and using it for their own purposes.

Both would be bad.

I agree, Orsola was a little thick, but her heart was in the right place

[SuzushinaYuriko]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

No, you cannot destroy magic books, that's the problem in the first place. The second best thing they could do is to seal it. However that means that people would still find reasons to fight for them.

Orsula was trying to decode the book because she figure by understanding how the book is written, she might be able to find a way to destroy them. That is why she wanted to decode the books, and this is obviously against the wishes of the Church cause despite all their talk, those who control the grimoire control a very powerful weapon and they wouldn't want it destroyed.

I really wish people would read...

[Jarmel]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Excuse me? It was just 2 episodes ago.

TOuma asked why couldn't they just burn the book, to which Index and then later Orsula replied that you can't destroy a Grimoire.



Because she wanted to destroy the grimoires. Magicians have been fighting over them for ages, she wanted to destroy them to end the fighting.

This was also from 2 episodes ago.

I already deleted the episodes so I can't check so I'll take your word for it.

Again my point with that was why would they even let her study it in the first place.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

Again my point with that was why would they even let her study it in the first place.

I can't remember the smaller details, but I suppose maybe nobody thought she could actually do it?

Or even more likely, she was studying them without consent, she had at least abit of reputation if they were building a church in her name, so she probably pulled some strings.

[Jarmel]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I can't remember the smaller details, but I suppose maybe nobody thought she could actually do it?

Or even more likely, she was studying them without consent, she had at least abit of reputation if they were building a church in her name, so she probably pulled some strings.

Please tell me there is a better reason than that.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

Please tell me there is a better reason than that.

Well I can come up with fantastic stories and baseless theories about how she did it if you want.

Why do you need to know? She's supposedly this expert decoder for the church as well, so she would have some access to restrictive books in the Vatican Library. There are a number of possibilities, I just gave three, pick one.

[tsunade666]

Orsola didn't pulled some strings she did it in a honest way.

Read my post above.

Their are copies of grimoire. Because it's just a book for ordinary citizen and poison for magicians. It's useless for a normal citizen that hadn't any clue about magic but if someone who knows magic it would lead to either death or power.

[Jarmel]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Orsola didn't pulled some strings she did it in a honest way.

Read my post above.

Their are copies of grimoire. Because it's just a book for ordinary citizen and poison for magicians. It's useless for a normal citizen that hadn't any clue about magic but if someone who knows magic it would lead to either death or power.

So they have a potentially dangerous book and they're displaying it to the public even though there is the possibility someone could decrypt it. That's what I got from your post.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

So they have a potentially dangerous book and they're displaying it to the public even though there is the possibility someone could decrypt it. That's what I got from your post.

Copies, not the original, not the same.

And on display equals closed and behind a glass panel.

It was later revealed that the church lied about taking it out of their vault as well. But even before then Stiyl recognized how crazy it is to take out something like that for publicity sake. But I suppose it's because nobody had been able to translate it so they've gotten sloppy over it, it happens to humans all the time.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

You'll have to bloody excuse me. I forgot a minor detail in the first season that was over a year ago. Jesus.

Spoiler for Because one isn't enough:

Its was just 2 episodes ago dude, if you can't remember that detail which had a guy with his head exploding blood here and there, seriously you need to check your health.

P.S.: I'm started to consider you never watched the season's begin and probably the first season.

[Endscape]

Nice ep, I gave it a 9/10. Touma's Falcon Punch was rather more epic than usual.

Its was just 2 episodes ago dude, if you can't remember that detail which had a guy with his head exploding blood here and there, seriously you need to check your health.

True. If you're going to argue about it, have the decency to know what you're talking about, at least.

[Hooves]

I find Touma punching lolis to be a bit over-doing it.. But it was needed wasnt it?

Either way, this episode was about a 9/10 for me, really love how everything turned out (especially the scene with Touma in the hospital) but the ending.. Just set my images of the Archbishop upside down

[Marcus H.]

To all those who are defending the imperfections, I think it's useless; they are still thinking that there could have been something else done instead of what happened. And what happens if their suggestions were granted? Adaptation decay worse than what we're having currently.

Damn if they do, damn if they don't.

[reaper with no name]

Not quite as good as in the light novels, but this is mainly due to the inherent differences between novels and animation, and it's still awesome either way, so yay!

[OkamiNoKaze]

Pretty cool wrap up to this arc, and yet again Touma ended up in the Hospital, the nuns hacking through the door, reminded me of The Shining, hmm, maybe there should be a movie with actual zombie nuns. Boy, though Touma, Clocked her good, twice. Kaori, needs to choose between pants and short shorts.

[Kamonichan]

Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze

Kaori, needs to choose between pants and short shorts.

Her favorite Final Fantasy character is Tidus, so she's mimicking his half-pants/half-shorts style. Kanzaki Kaori: Always ready for Blitzball.

[Hell_ping]

Originally Posted by Kamonichan

Her favorite Final Fantasy character is Tidus, so she's mimicking his half-pants/half-shorts style. Kanzaki Kaori: Always ready for Blitzball.

Well, let's hope that the blitzball is as strong as a Touhou soccerball, because if not, she's most likely going to foul out by cutting the ball up with Nanasen...