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Ggb81 · 2014-06-06, 17:49

So Grey knows Silver, or thinks he does, and Happy has a mushroom-shaped Franmalth on his head.

OK...

Poor Wendy, and Doranbolt too! Does anyone know it it's 20 faces or 2000? The MS translation of 2000 make it sound crazy, but I feel like they should be able to destroy just 20. You know, with Jellal and the OS or something.

Erza vs. Minerva next week... Again...

Houreki · 2014-06-06, 17:59

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Originally Posted by immblueversion

Well, let's see all the chapters where they faced each other:

First fight:

311. "The Land of Until Tomorrow"
312. "Threesomes" (the three being Erza, Kagura, and Minerva)
313. "The King's Script" (technically the "king" refers to Minerva since that's what she calls herself, though "ruler" or "monarch" would be fitting translations as well)
315. "Rosemary"
316. "A Future Hurrying Towards Despair"
320. "Attacking Lightning"
321. "Laxus vs. Jura"
322. "Gloria"

Second fight:

348. "The Devil Returns" (the "devil" in question is either Deliora or Doriath, but not Minerva)
349. "The Demon Doriath"
350. "Gray vs. Doriath"
352. "Voice of the Flame"
353. "Demon Exorcist"

Third (current) fight:

379. "Tartarus Arc, Part 3: Underworld King"
382. "Alegria"
386. "Galaxia Blade"
388. "Erza vs. Minerva"

Conclusion: This is actually the third "vs." title of a chapter they fought in, but the first two were for other characters (Laxus/Jura, Gray/Doriath). Minerva did receive off-hand mentions, but this is the first straightforward "Erza vs. Minerva" title.

I see, thanks.
Hopefully, based on the title, this will be the last time they faced each other.

Pinwheel10 · 2014-06-07, 01:27

Franmalth as a mushroom on Happy's head made me LOL

I don't remember Wendy getting a "haircut", but I agree, it looks nice.

Aaah, I'm getting tired of Minerva so I hope too that Erza will silence her finally.

DOmus · 2014-06-08, 23:17

One thing that i dont get, SIlver was a human at the start and then he became a devil or he was a devil from the beginning???, cause if he has ever been a devil, then gray will be part devil part human, right??

Frailty · 2014-06-10, 07:01

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Originally Posted by DOmus

One thing that i dont get, SIlver was a human at the start and then he became a devil or he was a devil from the beginning???, cause if he has ever been a devil, then gray will be part devil part human, right??

We've already seen how they would turn humans into what they are (e.g. Minerva & Mirajane)
I won't be surprised if it were used on Silver

Gray is human, no doubt. Silver may be a human once

Krono · 2014-06-10, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Frailty

We've already seen how they would turn humans into what they are (e.g. Minerva & Mirajane)
I won't be surprised if it were used on Silver

Gray is human, no doubt. Silver may be a human once

Alternatively, if over use of Great Tree Arc can turn you into a tree, and overuse of Dragon Slayer magic can turn you into a dragon, it stands to reason that overuse of Devil Slayer magic can turn you into a devil.

Frailty · 2014-06-10, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Krono

Alternatively, if over use of Great Tree Arc can turn you into a tree, and overuse of Dragon Slayer magic can turn you into a dragon, it stands to reason that overuse of Devil Slayer magic can turn you into a devil.

Overuse of Dragon Slayer magic can turn you into a dragon? where'd you hear that?
If that was the case, Natsu should have been a dragon long ago.
You're probably referring to Dragon Force, a Dragon Slayer's ultimate form in which their powers are pretty much equal to a real dragon.

Or you're probably thinking of Rave, where people of the Dragon Race turns to Dragon if they cannot control their powers.

Robotech Master · 2014-06-10, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Frailty

Overuse of Dragon Slayer magic can turn you into a dragon? where'd you hear that?

Was stated in the dragon graveyard by Zirconis. All of the Dragon Slayers during the old war had the potential to become dragons by using their powers too much. It can't just be related to Dragon Force because Wendy freaked out about becoming a Dragon one day and she hadn't used DF at that time.

Saravis4 · 2014-06-10, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Robotech Master

Was stated in the dragon graveyard by Zirconis. All of the Dragon Slayers during the old war had the potential to become dragons by using their powers too much. It can't just be related to Dragon Force because Wendy freaked out about becoming a Dragon one day and she hadn't used DF at that time.

To add to that, it was revealed that Acnologia was once a dragon slayer.

Casshern · 2014-06-10, 14:50

Silver is Etherious, born from the books of Zeref. Minerva hasn't been called an etherious yet and hasn't shown if she has a curse either, so as far as we know she is different from the rest of the Tartaros demons.

DOmus · 2014-06-10, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Casshern

Silver is Etherious, born from the books of Zeref. Minerva hasn't been called an etherious yet and hasn't shown if she has a curse either, so as far as we know she is different from the rest of the Tartaros demons.

So if he is an Etherious, then gray would be part demon??(since they do have a connection)

Tempest35 · 2014-06-10, 16:49

Well, Gray was able to channel Silver's power via the ice to defeat the one demon guy that changed the group to kids for a time.

As for Minerva, she's a human-turned-demon, so she's like Mirajane moreso than one of the actual living demons from Zeref's book.

Houreki · 2014-06-10, 16:52

Crazy theory: What if Deliora was Silver's father?

DOmus · 2014-06-10, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Houreki

Crazy theory: What if Deliora was Silver's father?

Then the mother sure got a hard time back then :v

G147 · 2014-06-10, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Robotech Master

Was stated in the dragon graveyard by Zirconis. All of the Dragon Slayers during the old war had the potential to become dragons by using their powers too much. It can't just be related to Dragon Force because Wendy freaked out about becoming a Dragon one day and she hadn't used DF at that time.

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Originally Posted by Saravis4

To add to that, it was revealed that Acnologia was once a dragon slayer.

Ah, aren't you guys forgetting about Acnologia bathing in the blood of the Dragons he killed and Zeref's possible intervention.

Krono · 2014-06-12, 02:03

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Originally Posted by G147

Ah, aren't you guys forgetting about Acnologia bathing in the blood of the Dragons he killed and Zeref's possible intervention.

No we aren't. Zirconis' statement was not causative. "This "man" murdered more and more dragons, and bathed in their blood! Eventually his skin turned to scales... his teeth to fangs... and his human body eventually changed into that of a true dragon." He's giving a series of events, not a cause and effect. The second sentence is not said to have occurred because of the contents of the first sentence.

Lucy then asks "A man turned into a dragon?" and Zirconis' reply is "That is the end of the path of dragon slayer magic." Again that indicates that turning into a dragon is and expect result of using DS magic, not of bathing in the blood of hundreds of dragons.

Beyond that, it's consistent with what we saw of Lost Magic in the Tenrou Island arc. Namely that Lost Magics there tended to have some important restrictions or downsides. Potentially turning the user into a dragon would be a fitting downside for DS magic.

Plus the reaction after Zirconis faded from Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy supports the interpretation that they took his comments as something likely to happen to them.

Arcadios' comment about Zeref being responsible is dubious. He would be relying on research, while Zirconis was there. Plus that Arcadios was unaware it was impossible for the Eclipse Gate to be used as a cannon does not speak well of his knowledge on the subject of Zeref's magic.

So yeah, strong indications that the over use of Dragon Slayer magic can indeed turn you into a dragon.

Casshern · 2014-06-12, 11:14

Still, both versions aren't mutually exclusive, and it's not unlikely that Zeref ultimately had a hand in Acnologia's creation. I think there might be some truth in both stories, and probably a big chunk of information still missing.

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Then the mother sure got a hard time back then :v

You mean Ul?

immblueversion · 2014-06-13, 01:15

Well whaddaya know, Wendy actually got the bob. Neat.

Also, we get the obligatory sympathetic backstory, deus ex machina rescue moment, and abrupt redemption for Minerva.

Om Nerabdator · 2014-06-13, 01:30

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Originally Posted by immblueversion

Also, we get the obligatory sympathetic backstory, deus ex machina rescue moment, and abrupt redemption for Minerva.

No Way!! i did not see that coming at all(drone voice)

Her father sure loves telling girls to get naked...old perv

Bombo · 2014-06-13, 01:37

So fast and good to end minerva battle ... But they have BAD luck to fight with king of hades..This one shouldn't play with him .

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Pinwheel10 WHOOSH! Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: A Yellow Submarine Age: 29	Franmalth as a mushroom on Happy's head made me LOL I don't remember Wendy getting a "haircut", but I agree, it looks nice. Aaah, I'm getting tired of Minerva so I hope too that Erza will silence her finally. __________________

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Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Well, Gray was able to channel Silver's power via the ice to defeat the one demon guy that changed the group to kids for a time. As for Minerva, she's a human-turned-demon, so she's like Mirajane moreso than one of the actual living demons from Zeref's book. __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

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immblueversion Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Where you're not.	Well whaddaya know, Wendy actually got the bob. Neat. Also, we get the obligatory sympathetic backstory, deus ex machina rescue moment, and abrupt redemption for Minerva. __________________ I'm not the boss. I just know what you should be doing.

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Ggb81 Exemplary Character Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: right in the middle of nowhere	So Grey knows Silver, or thinks he does, and Happy has a mushroom-shaped Franmalth on his head. OK... Poor Wendy, and Doranbolt too! Does anyone know it it's 20 faces or 2000? The MS translation of 2000 make it sound crazy, but I feel like they should be able to destroy just 20. You know, with Jellal and the OS or something. Erza vs. Minerva next week... Again...

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DOmus 天国無事故 Artist Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Im Lost	One thing that i dont get, SIlver was a human at the start and then he became a devil or he was a devil from the beginning???, cause if he has ever been a devil, then gray will be part devil part human, right??

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Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Silver is Etherious, born from the books of Zeref. Minerva hasn't been called an etherious yet and hasn't shown if she has a curse either, so as far as we know she is different from the rest of the Tartaros demons.

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Bombo TSF Fans Join Date: Sep 2008	So fast and good to end minerva battle ... But they have BAD luck to fight with king of hades..This one shouldn't play with him .