2013-01-29, 16:31 | Link #2141 |
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Hanyu is the spirit of the woman who gave her life at an earlier Watanagashi festival right? So why does she choose to be with Rika? I guess she appears as a child to match Rika's body's age, but Rika is mentally very old now, so why not age herself older?
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2013-01-29, 19:55 | Link #2144 | |
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Alternatively, maybe that TIP does not even take place in the Tsumihoroboshi branch.
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2013-01-29, 20:05 | Link #2145 | |
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The tip might not take place in the tsumihoroboshi but iirc the TIP mentions Rena surviving while it's implied that in the previous worlds where Rena got level 5 the kidnapping ended with the school exploding. EDIT: actually it might just end with Rena dying in which case it could be a different world. (might be misremembering things here, it's been a while. In fact I'll go read the tip) Last edited by Seronei; 2013-01-29 at 20:20. |
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2013-01-29, 21:44 | Link #2146 | |
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Dunno why she appears as a child, but have a look at adult!Hanyuu (aka, Hainiryuun Ieasomuuru Jieda) from Kizuna:
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2013-01-29, 22:58 | Link #2147 | |
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And I didn't know Hanyuu's own daughter did Watanagashi on her own mother... oh goodness. |
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2013-01-29, 23:44 | Link #2148 |
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Even more in-depth info that I forgot to mention (well, more like trivia):
The "scar" in Hanyu's horn? It was Ouka during the Watanagashi cerimony. And it was Riku who gave Hanyuu her nickname, because he couldn't say Hainiryuun Ieasomuuru Jieda, he shortened it to Hanyuu and the nickname stuck.
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2013-01-30, 08:26 | Link #2149 | |
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2013-01-31, 04:59 | Link #2150 |
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@Yirba: Thanks very much for your explanation. If you look at it this way, it seems to work. I just hadn't thought Rika could also change the following scenarios by doing something important in a single arc like Himatsubushi.
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2013-01-31, 06:51 | Link #2151 |
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Yes, the story makes you think that they're jumping between fragments, trying to find the perfect one. And whilst that's technically true, it's basically a fancy way of saying they're time-travelling. Even if Rika travels back to the beginning of June, the actions that took place before that cannot be changed.
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2013-01-31, 08:38 | Link #2152 |
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In Minagoroshi-hen, a number of things retroactively; Rena had told her dad how she felt about Rina, Shion was going to school in Hinamizawa and was on good terms with Satoko, and so on. Why couldn't "Akasaka went back to Tokyo in 1978" be changed like that?
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2013-01-31, 10:27 | Link #2153 | |
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Another example would be the (as named in the anime) rei arcs. |
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2013-01-31, 11:24 | Link #2154 |
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There are several ways of interpreting the situation. But you're right, they are jumping between parallel worlds. However, to get to those parallel worlds, they must travel back in time.
Let's put it this way: The Watanagashi Festival always takes place on 19th June 1983. It never takes place on any other date. So, in Onikakushi-hen, Rika continues living until 19th June. However, everyone dies and she must travel to a different kakera. If she simply jumped to Watanagashi-hen at that point, it would have already been past 19th June, and so everyone would already be dead, which is really no good for Rika. Therefore, she must travel back in time to the start of June, and enter the kakera at that point. To be perfectly honest, there simply isn't enough detail to be sure of how Rika's jumping between kakera actually works. However, the world of Higurashi seems to conform to the many-worlds interpretation. In which case, all branches must converge at some point in the past. You could say that every single branch can be traced back to a single tree trunk, which would be the beginning of time itself. Everything that ever happens simply branches out from that.
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2013-02-01, 10:10 | Link #2158 | |
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yep, it soudns logical that in universes before the saikoroshi, due to rika breaking the oyashiro statue the windows get removed so that does not happen again; on the other hand in saikoroshi rika never breaks the statue, so even if she breaks in there is no reason to remove the windows.
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2013-02-01, 17:32 | Link #2159 |
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From what I remember (I think it was from the anime), Satoko was in the top of a tree and entered it through a small window near the top of the Saiguden. It needs some way to keep the air circulating, and a small window near the top where no one could reach easily would be perfect for the case.
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