2016-07-10, 19:52 | Link #5821 |
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pobga was playing the defensive mid role even though they had sissoko and matuidi. he should have been the tip of the midfield triangle.
portugal had to play defensively, since their attacking talents aren't geared towards possession oriented goals. they're not spain or germany, and instead relied on ronaldo and nani to hit quick. with ronaldo off, they had to go even more defensive. i thought they did a great job opening up in the second half and in extra time. the introduction of eder really changed the game. also, say what you want about ronaldo, but the guy went of and came back on twice before finally calling it quits. even if he was capable of 70%, he would have stayed on. it must have been crushing for him to go off. his dedication and commitment are things everyone who plays the game should look up to.
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2016-07-10, 20:29 | Link #5822 | |
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2016-07-10, 21:49 | Link #5823 | ||
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Pogba... I think it's not his place to play as defensive midfielder. He puts in a shift when he can, but IMHO he's wasted as a sitter in front of the back 4. He should have been the box-to-box mid whereas Kanté and/or Matuidi fit better in tha CDM role. It goes to the main criticism people have against Deschamps about being too defensive when he uses 2 sitters in front of the Ds. Pogba is another Patrick Vieira, not another Claude Makélélé. Quote:
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2016-07-11, 04:53 | Link #5826 |
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Pogba and Vieira were similar yes, but their skill sets were quite different.
Vieira excelled in the defensive side. He had better tackling, was better at marking men and had a great playmaking sense despite playing box-to-box. Pogba is more an excellent technician, a better dribbler than the former was, and his defensive side doesn't impress me. Don't get me wrong - he is a decent defender for his position, but he cannot impose himself on games. He also has more propensity to end up in wide areas than Vieira did. And yes, I guess Ronaldo really is a champion at heart. He did his best to encourage his team and the belief that rubbed off on to them showed with the winning goal. I kind of disliked how he seemed to hog the trophy though. If he could take it home forever, he definitely would.
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2016-07-11, 07:05 | Link #5827 | |
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In the 19 matches of Euro 2008/2012 and World Cup 2010 they only allowed a grand total of 6 goals. Of which all came in the group stage. In the 10 knockout stage matches they kept a clean sheet every single time.
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2016-07-11, 07:21 | Link #5828 | |
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Tiki-taka is a primarily the game based around attacking football. They drag opponents out with their passing patterns, so it isn't a game focused on defence more than it is to retain the ball for future attacks. Again I'm only focusing on the World Cup win, which I was never impressed with, given the nature it came about (scraping to the win by 1-0s). Their 2012 campaign was amazing in its right though, with one of the more one-sided finals in recent history.
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2016-07-11, 07:50 | Link #5829 |
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Here's where I disagree. The primary purpose of the short-passing tiki-taka is to retain possession. Hence the avoidance of long or diagonal passes which have the potential to gain much more ground in one sweep but are more prone to getting intercepted. The tiki-taka is designed to be very, very patient and wait for the defence to make a mistake. It philosophically is not much different compared to a catenaccio, parking-the-bus style game where you seal off the spaces for the attacking team and wait for a mistake which is to be exploited during a counter-attack.
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2016-07-11, 08:05 | Link #5830 | |
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One thing about the strategies; catenaccio is likened to a lock, whilst I view tiki-taka to be a "key" of sorts that unlocks the defence, so I always saw them on opposite spectrums, and hence less-reliance on counter-attacks with tiki-taka.
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2016-07-11, 11:39 | Link #5831 |
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So let me get this straight we had a final between an unfancied underdog vs tournament favourites in front of their home crowd and the following things happened:
This sounds like your typical sport anime.
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2016-07-12, 04:58 | Link #5832 |
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Just one thing to get off my chest though...
Remember Ronaldo blasting Iceland for their defensive mentality in the opening game? Well, look back on the final and see if Portugal weren't playing counter-attacking football and just sitting back defending. A wonderful player and great talent he is, but what a hypocrite. It is only okay if his team does the "defensive mentality" thing and wins. Imagine how much he'd have to say if Iceland went all the way and won it.
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2016-07-12, 07:03 | Link #5835 | |
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They weren't even fancied to score a goal against Portugal. Of course, Ronaldo being Ronaldo, having won things in his glittering career, chose the bitter way to describe the opponents. He didn't score in the game either, mind, so the salt was strong. Moreover, one of his quotes was, "“They were just defend, defend, defend and playing on the counterattack." Was that not what Portugal were doing in the final?
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2016-07-12, 08:09 | Link #5837 |
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You criticise other teams for doing so, and when your team does it it's okay. That is what I'm trying to put across. His statements come across as hypocritical when you look at how his team plays in the final.
This debate aside, now that Ronaldo's pretty much out for the rest of the year, I believe he might win the Ballon D'Or this year, unless Griezmann continues some electric form for the first half of the upcoming season.
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2016-08-09, 15:14 | Link #5839 |
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Less than a month after the Euro, the club campaigns in Europe are about to start already. In the Community Shield on last Sunday, it was the first official match of Jose Mourinho's Manchester United team. It really didn't take long before Zlatan Ibrahimovic (free transfer from PSG) made his mark with a winning goal.
Among the transfer news, there have been plenty of note this summer: Paul Pogba (to Manchester United for a record 105 million euros), Henrikh Mkhitaryan (to Manchester United), N'Golo Kanté (to Chelsea), Granit Xhaka (to Arsenal), John Stones (to Manchester City), Ikkay Gündogan (to Manchester City), Victor Wanyama (to Tottenham), Sadio Mané (to Liverpool), Georginio Wijnaldum (to Liverpool), Fernando Llorente (to Swansea), Martin Skrtel (to Fenerbahce), Mats Hummels (to Bayern), Gonzalo Higuain (to Juventus), and André Gomes (to Barcelona) among others. Regarding Arsenal, people have been talking about a number of questionable decisions made by Arsene Wenger on the transfer market in the last few years. Now that he is 68 and possibly hitting his last miles with the club, it will be interesting to see if he will go "all in" or rather maintain the statu quo. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2016-08-09 at 21:34. |
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