2012-09-19, 11:21 | Link #41 |
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I think it be better to say they are trigger for man to cause evil rather than they being evil themselves.
I wonder how Rin really died.....The only way I see Obito changing so drastically after the dead of Rin is if Obito himself killed her, of course not knowing it was her. Something like kabuto and his step mother... If is not that then definitey kishi will have to explain. Last edited by james0246; 2012-09-19 at 11:49. Reason: double post... |
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2012-09-19, 11:31 | Link #43 |
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Im going to assume and this is a big assume that madara implanted a memory inside of nagato that when he came to a certain age or a certain emotional state the memory would have triggered. so thats pretty cool if that is actually the case.
I also say obito seems to want to leave to help is friends, so yeah, hes not listening to madara about loss and whatnot so when rin dies on a mission and obito finds out, he no doubt comes to terms with winners and losers and agrees to side with madara.
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Obito finding Madara's hideout is the same as Suigetsu and Jugo finding Orochimaru's secret room.
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2012-09-19, 11:47 | Link #45 |
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The moons eye plan was created because Madara and Obito (and Nagato, though he had a different plan) all felt that free will (as an expression of a force seeking to dominate others) was destroying the world. Consequently, free will by itself is not the counter-argument to the moons eye plan, rather the moons eye plan was the counter-argument against free will run rampant over the land.
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2012-09-19, 13:36 | Link #47 |
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In this manga everybody has faith in events that are extremely unlikely to happen. Minato instead of helping Naruto grow up and the village against Tobi chose to die, having faith that Tobi will not return right after he and Kushina died and take baby Naruto away to get back the kyuubi. Itachi didn't rush out to save Sasuke from Orochimaru, he also didn't rush to kill Deidara when Deidara decided to go after Sasuke, he believed that Sasuke will survive and get stronger. Itachi also amaterasued Sasuke believing that Sasuke will survive that. Tsunade sent out 5 genins to save Sasuke even if she knew well that the enemy is Orochimaru, who almost destroyed Konoha. Jiraiya threw Naruto into the abyss believing that Naruto will then be able to summon gamabunta and survive. Genins are being sent into the forest of death where many of them almost die, but somehow they don't die. Naruto can go on missions even if the hokage and the village knows that other villages and missing ninja would like to capture the strongest demon. Kurenai, Asuma, Kakashi and Gai believe that they have a chance against a guy who killed the legendary Uchiha clan by himself when he was 13 years old (they don't know that Tobi helped him). We could go on forever with these examples So why couldn't Madara just have faith that his great plan that contains some extremely risky elements cannot succeed?
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2012-09-19, 14:46 | Link #48 | |
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And come on, Obito just unlocked his Sharingan, then he uses his space time Ninjutsu a few hours later? for the first time? that's complete shit, and for Madara to have the same technique is highly unlikely |
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this would also mean the current tobi hideout where tobi took kabuto where the gedo statue flower thing is, is likely near that bridge which in retrospect is kinda cool to me. Quote:
i've wondered at times tho whether obito planned to betray madara…the real madara has alluded at least twice that obito must have something in mind hastening the plan like he did. obito did want to know how to end the edo tensei Quote:
all speculation...
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2012-09-19, 15:19 | Link #52 |
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maybe interesting, but not yet. i think all that is implied by that statement this chapter is that madara is an old uchiha, hence obito's and all other living uchihas' ancestor. there is no direct familial ties mentioned. at least not yet. and seeing as how this all apparently happened by chance and not by madara's design (unless he's lying which would make more sense actually) then the reason for madara being directly related to obito just flew out the window. but i do hope it's a lie. obito falling into his lair is just too random. much like the juugo suigetsu scroll find which was mentioned earlier in this thread. happenstance is fine in a story, but there is a line that those 2 events cross imho
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2012-09-19, 15:28 | Link #53 | |
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The Mazo's a summoning doesn't seem to hard to get it there, also we don't know how long he's been there. |
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2012-09-19, 15:39 | Link #54 |
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…And none of this was stated to have actually happen this chapter. You just created your own set of events and are complaining about the outcome. Even if any of this actually happened, it still wouldn’t be a plothole since there are still possible explanations for certain events, not to mention the backstory isn’t even finished unfolding.
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2012-09-19, 17:12 | Link #56 |
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Kishi is definitely flirting with some plot holes here. I'm not talking about Rin. Obito's motives for becoming Tobi may turn out to be far-fetched (we'll see), but honestly, if you didn't drop the manga after Itachi's true motives were revealed, or when Nagato did his 180 degree change of heart and revived half of Konoha, then you're not going to bail over Obito's story.
The real problem is the timeline. I'm thinking back to Chapter 560 where Edo-Madara stated that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death. Now, I don't know if this is a mistranslation or if there is some hyperbole in these words, but Madara encountered Obito in the cave perhaps more than 10 years after Nagato already received the Rinnegan. Consequently, these last two chapters seem to contradict Chapter 560. And even though Madara is long-lived, I still wouldn't consider a decade to be a short period of time. A lot can be accomplished in a decade. Also, why would Madara downgrade his eyes, if he could have kept the Rinnegan for himself? Sure he's feeble and confined to his cave, but think about Nagato's state. Nagato was an emaciated cripple who was confined to his Metagross-chair, and yet he still managed to lead Akatsuki in the capture of several tailed-beasts. At least Madara could walk on his own. EDIT: One possibility that would clear things up is if Madara words in Chapter 560 were meant to refer to the moment when Nagato summoned the Gedo Mazou against Hanzou. If this is what Madara meant as the moment in time when the Rinnegan truly awakened, then the timeline makes more sense. Although, now that I think about it ... this would introduce another contradiction. Madara must have possessed the awakened Rinnegan at some point, since Tobi stated that Madara was able to becaome the 2nd Six Paths Sage. hmmm....
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2012-09-19, 17:41 | Link #58 |
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There was no reason to lie -_-
Yes there was a reason to tell the truth, there are a billion people reading this stuff. And honestly I've been second guessing Naruto after they revealed Tobi. Usually i can't wait till Wednesday so i can read the chapter. Now, I read it and get disappointed at how stupid the story is getting. The Kabuto flash backs were nothing short of pointless, and now these flashbacks are gonna take 1-2 months to get through. Obito shouldn't have been Tobi. Woulda been more satisfied if it was someone we never seen before or just never unmask him. Now the next 2 months of the Manga are gonna make me stop reading, when i'd much rather watch the fights and see how they would interact. Show the flashback when some one is dying or about to lose the fight, not when tons of fans are disappointed after the 3 year build up to the unmasking of Tobi. |
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i don't understand why is Obito so much messed up over protecting Rin, she is a ninja herself!!, a chunin at that, and we have already seen very powerful ninjas at genin level, Obito is making it sound as if it's his biggest aim in life, "just to be Rin's bodyguard", and he is pulling kakashi into forever just protecting someone nonsense, it makes me even sick
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