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Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2013-06-09, 10:49

The fact that the Lords of Shadow saga is a trilogy with an end to it gives all the more reason to concentrate on Dracula's closure (it's his story, after all). Whatever Konami decides to do with Castlevania afterwards is up to them, but the Lords of Shadow is its own continuity. Alucard will most likely be instrumental to the plot (he certainly was in Mirror of Fate), but the main focus is Dracula.

ZGoten · 2013-06-09, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

The fact that the Lords of Shadow saga is a trilogy with an end to it gives all the more reason to concentrate on Dracula's closure (it's his story, after all). Whatever Konami decides to do with Castlevania afterwards is up to them, but the Lords of Shadow is its own continuity. Alucard will most likely be instrumental to the plot (he certainly was in Mirror of Fate), but the main focus is Dracula.

Sure there's reason to bring Dracula's story to an end. What I'm saying is that we barely know the character, because it's a different Dracula than in most games and because the story so far didn't do a good job of introducing him. That's why the third game would be much more impactful if they had structured the first game completely different.

amaterasu4 · 2013-06-09, 14:31

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Originally Posted by ZGoten

Sure there's reason to bring Dracula's story to an end. What I'm saying is that we barely know the character, because it's a different Dracula than in most games and because the story so far didn't do a good job of introducing him. That's why the third game would be much more impactful if they had structured the first game completely different.

But the first game was all about Dracula. He just had a different name. We learned all about his emotions and his motives to fight.

ZGoten · 2013-06-09, 14:47

Technically it's the same, but really, he was totally different. And the transition to what he is now was not well done at all.
Still looking forward to the second game, though. Especially since the combat is going to be more melee oriented.

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2013-06-09, 15:04

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Technically it's the same, but really, he was totally different. And the transition to what he is now was not well done at all.

The Lords of Shadow version of Dracula has the most depth to the character by far. How was Gabriel's transition to Dracula not well done at all? We see throughout the whole first game that he slowly succumbs to the darkness. We witnessed all the terrible things Gabriel had to go through, and how he was used as a pawn for others' despicable ends. There's justification for why and how he became Dracula. And the most tragic part about him is that everything was fate. He got screwed over big time.

ZGoten · 2013-06-09, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

The Lords of Shadow version of Dracula has the most depth to the character by far. How was Gabriel's transition to Dracula not well done at all? We see throughout the whole first game that he slowly succumbs to the darkness. It's during his final battle against the forgotten one that he essentially becomes Dracula.

Maybe you played a different game. Sure the game always hinted at is darkness, but nothing he did was really evil or even questionable. He was a hero until the end of the main game. It was only in the second DLC that he became a vampire and Dracula. They should have made his downfall much more integral to the actual game and let us play the final hours as Dracula. I actually came into the game expecting this and was thoroughly disappointed. For me, LOS2 will be the first game playing Gabriel as Dracula, and that's why the need for closure seems a bit odd, even though I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2013-06-09, 15:16

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Maybe you played a different game. Sure the game always hinted at is darkness, but nothing he did was really evil or even questionable. He was a hero until the end of the main game. It was only in the second DLC that he became a vampire and Dracula. They should have made his downfall much more integral to the actual game and let us play the final hours as Dracula. I actually came into the game expecting this and was thoroughly disappointed.

The whole point of the game was to explain the origin of Dracula. He's a tragic character whom we're supposed to have some sympathy for. You can't expect them to establish everything in the first game; that's why they deliberately reserved more story for the sequels.

ZGoten · 2013-06-09, 15:21

I think 20 hours are sufficient for that kind of story. But, like I said, I haven't played Mirror of Fate, I don't know what information there is about Dracula in that game. I'm sure there's something. But wouldn't you at least agree that reserving the moment Grabriel becomes a vamprie for a DLC was a poor choice?

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2013-06-09, 15:28

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I think 20 hours are sufficient for that kind of story. But, like I said, I haven't played Mirror of Fate, I don't know what information there is about Dracula in that game. I'm sure there's something. But wouldn't you at least agree that reserving the moment Grabriel becomes a vamprie for a DLC was a poor choice?

You need to look at the whole picture of the Lords of Shadow saga to see why they're giving closure to Dracula in the 3rd game. LoS1 was about the origin of Dracula. MoF was about why the Belmonts continually do battle with Dracula and why they're bound to him for as long as he exists. LoS2 is going to be about Dracula's resolution and closure. There's a logical series of events that take place in each game. You're looking at things too much from an individualistic standpoint. It doesn't matter that Gabriel wasn't actually Dracula in LoS1 until the end. What matters is the story of Dracula and how everything has culminated to the final moments.

Vladrave · 2013-06-11, 03:54

Also, it's not just Dracula that we're gonna play: http://www.gamesradar.com/sequel-bes...ords-shadow-2/

amaterasu4 · 2013-06-11, 23:10

Lol at 6:21. Dracula says "What is man? A miserable little pile of secrets"

Vladrave · 2013-06-11, 23:16

"But enough talk! Have at you"

He also said that during the battle with the forgotten one in the DLC lol

amaterasu4 · 2013-06-12, 22:37

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...cox-los2.aspx|
Game confirmed to be longer than LoS1 and upgrades per combos. I still can't believe there won't be loading times.

Vladrave · 2013-06-13, 03:55

amaterasu4 · 2013-06-13, 22:10

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2013-06-16, 10:15

The Titan soundtrack from the E3 trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2djIpC-ls8

Once again, round of applause to Oscar Araujo for his superb musical pieces.

2013-06-09, 10:49	Link #81
Blackbeard D. Kuma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	The fact that the Lords of Shadow saga is a trilogy with an end to it gives all the more reason to concentrate on Dracula's closure (it's his story, after all). Whatever Konami decides to do with Castlevania afterwards is up to them, but the Lords of Shadow is its own continuity. Alucard will most likely be instrumental to the plot (he certainly was in Mirror of Fate), but the main focus is Dracula. __________________ A new age of piracy is at hand, and emperor Blackbeard is at the helm of it.

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ZGoten Custom User Title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Age: 23	Technically it's the same, but really, he was totally different. And the transition to what he is now was not well done at all. Still looking forward to the second game, though. Especially since the combat is going to be more melee oriented. __________________ Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes.

2013-06-09, 15:21	Link #88
ZGoten Custom User Title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Age: 23	I think 20 hours are sufficient for that kind of story. But, like I said, I haven't played Mirror of Fate, I don't know what information there is about Dracula in that game. I'm sure there's something. But wouldn't you at least agree that reserving the moment Grabriel becomes a vamprie for a DLC was a poor choice? __________________ Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	Also, it's not just Dracula that we're gonna play: http://www.gamesradar.com/sequel-bes...ords-shadow-2/ __________________ Last edited by Vladrave; 2013-06-11 at 04:26.

2013-06-11, 23:16	Link #92
Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	"But enough talk! Have at you" He also said that during the battle with the forgotten one in the DLC lol __________________

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amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	Lol at 6:21. Dracula says "What is man? A miserable little pile of secrets"

2013-06-12, 22:37	Link #93
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...cox-los2.aspx\| Game confirmed to be longer than LoS1 and upgrades per combos. I still can't believe there won't be loading times.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	__________________

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amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car

2013-06-16, 10:15	Link #96
Blackbeard D. Kuma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	The Titan soundtrack from the E3 trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2djIpC-ls8 Once again, round of applause to Oscar Araujo for his superb musical pieces. __________________ A new age of piracy is at hand, and emperor Blackbeard is at the helm of it.