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Those scenes are, in the Shkanon theory, completely fake. It's even been said, in red, that you can't trust anything that's not in red. |
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2010-06-13, 18:21 | Link #11003 | |
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2010-06-13, 18:25 | Link #11004 | ||
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2010-06-13, 18:30 | Link #11005 | |
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As I recall, none of the rules about the detective or the detective's perspective are ever in red, actually. |
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2010-06-13, 18:30 | Link #11006 | |
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...under Shkanon, Jessica is the dumbest character ever, and Natsuhi just doesn't care that she's paying two servants' wages to one person. Because Natsuhi would HAVE to know about Shkanon if it were true. |
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2010-06-13, 18:41 | Link #11007 | ||
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Ok this is interesting to note, that sound doesn't exist in the manga. Natsuhi shouts "Come out" and points her gun. The flashlight gets pointed at the door, which is partly open. Battler assumes that the killer escaped through there and rushes out. |
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2010-06-13, 18:47 | Link #11009 | |
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And I'm not referring to Jessica at the school so much as Jessica in general. I cannot accept a scenario where Jessica goes several years without realizing that Kanon isn't real, despite spending so much time with both of them. That's completely unbelievable. |
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2010-06-13, 18:48 | Link #11010 | |||
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Kanon, or someone else throws a small stone at the door. It makes a plunk noise as it hits the metal and makes it sound like the door was opened. Quote:
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2010-06-13, 19:36 | Link #11012 |
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Regarding, well, anyone as the culprit, we don't have to believe the motives we're shown in scenes of dubious credibility. For instance George, or Shannon, or Hideyoshi, or Kanon, or Gohda for crying out loud could have the desire to kill the family, but we could be shown the wrong motive.
To use George as an example because I'm still suspicious of him, the whole "wants to marry Shannon at all costs" thing could be the smokescreen for this true Motive X. Battler almost never sees any evidence of any kind that George and Shannon are actually as close as the games suggest. The fakey nature of their romance and the extra TIPS might even suggest this really is a smokescreen motive, though we'd have to explain why to get around all the effort devoted to it and ep6. Of course we could see the relationship as one-sided. The weight of the text puts it one-sided on Shannon's part, since George's motivations tend to make him a more sinister presence. I'm not totally sure of it one way or the other though. It's certainly most probable that they're sincere. I just think George or Jessica would make a more obvious "unexpected" mastermind. Their motives are much harder to read than the motives of Kanon and Shannon. Assuming the existence of a romance doesn't mean it means the same thing to both parties. Kanon and Jessica sort of already have this dynamic (what Jessica thinks of it is different from what Kanon thinks), which makes me think it's more sincere than Shannon and George.
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2010-06-13, 20:57 | Link #11013 |
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Can someone answer my question?
I'm assuming that, in every single kakera, Krauss or Natsuhi have control over the work schedule of the servants. However, the schedule in EP1 changed by Krauss's order. Before that, however, what is the exact schedule? Is it the same as the EP5 schedule? |
2010-06-13, 21:46 | Link #11014 | |
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Because Battler is actually Krauss' son and is therefore the real heir to Ushiromiya fortune. Battler is not aware of it, but once this is widely known, and George would ensure it was, Battler has an absolutely perfect motive for the newspapers, and can be the natural scapegoat for George. Mind you, I am thinking that Hideyoshi actually supporting George is far, far more likely than George actually planning to murder his parents because of being put into an unwinnable situation, as clues to Hideyoshi supporting George in his marital plans are present several times in detective perspective. I'm just saying that George's motive (or lack thereof) to perform ABC murders directly depends on Hideyoshi's position regarding that marriage -- if George really wants to marry Shannon, that is.
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2010-06-13, 22:15 | Link #11015 | ||
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2010-06-13, 22:20 | Link #11016 | ||
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BTW Natsuhi seems to have control of the schedules in episode 5. She was the one who decided that she wanted both Shannon and Kanon on duty. Before Chiru everything was said to be done by Krauss, Krauss, Krauss, and sometimes Genji. EDIT: The schedule change is basically a switch between who works in the mansion and the guesthouse. IIRC Shannon, Kanon, and Genji were in the guesthouse after the schedule change and Kumasawa and Gohda were in the mansion. Quote:
using your logic I can say. George has never been proclaimed to be dead until the end of any of the games. Since he is not proclaimed to be dead until that time I can assume he is alive to be a murderer until the end in all games. What now?
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2010-06-13, 22:32 | Link #11017 | ||
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It makes him sound manipulative even when in context. |
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2010-06-14, 00:10 | Link #11018 | |
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This is just from the fact that Hideyoshi also survives the 1st twilight a lot and is free to move afterwards but does seem to get targeted soon after. Everyone to the Accusing Parlor! Anyways, we are searching for the culprit but as someone said earlier there's possibly two culprits we're looking for, right? The First Twilight Betrayer (who probably goes on to kill more people) and the 10th Twilight Bomber. If George is indeed suspicious, I'd say he was more of a First Twilight Betrayer, that is he is trying to act within the situation and committing murders. I wouldn't bet that he was a 10th Twilight Bomber though since whoever that is seems intent on blowing themselves up too... So who can we point the accusing finger at for that one? |
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2010-06-14, 00:28 | Link #11019 | |
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2010-06-14, 00:39 | Link #11020 |
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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I can't suspect anyone on the island for placing the bomb! I just can't...!
There are a few off island suspects that I can think of though.
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