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Sunder the Gold · 2012-12-16, 00:45

Spoiler for KYH is unable to destroy her 'parent'?:

Meltyred · 2012-12-16, 05:26

It's more like she is unable to "win" against her.
Which is said in the later volumes.
And then spoilerish stuff happens.. just look back through the pages.

judasmartel · 2012-12-16, 06:05

So Lotus was unable to win against Cosmos? Lotus was already broken when we first saw her in combat, so that says something about Cosmos.

Mentar · 2012-12-16, 09:19

Have you forgotten that White Cosmos is invisible in BB? How are you supposed to defeat someone like this?

judasmartel · 2012-12-16, 09:37

"Don't think. Feel." - Bruce Lee

I thought Cosmos' invisibility only applies against lower-leveled Duel Avatars. Since she's Level 9, only other Level 9's can see her.

With that in mind, it is possible that Cosmos was of a higher level than Lotus when they fought last time, so the invisibility applies, and Lotus was not able to see her the entire fight.

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-16, 16:43

Ok, i have some questions relatade to some ofd the relationships with haru...

First, about Chiyu....
It's seems to me that she realy loves Haru, and not Taku... But until the last episode of the anime Haru seems to like her as a friend...
Something in that point chenge until the novel 12? Haru pass to show more deep fellings for her?

Now, about KYH... it's a bit confuse...
To me, Haru seems to love KYH, and i am not saying admiration, i am saying love, but like someone said here... It's seems unreal to Haru that KYH can love him, even if her have said so.
In another point, until the last episode of anime, i have my doubts about her fellings towards Haru, because she says that loves him, but...

Spoiler for episode 24 form anime:

And because of this i don't now if her really love him or if her have another reason to say that love him...
But, in the light novel, they relationship have changed in some way?

Spoiler for light novel, ash roller:

Also, it's seems to me that the only one Haru have true fellings is KHY, even if he don't believe in the possibility of they staying toghter

And just one more doubt, someone have understanded the second end of anime?
Why the real KHY fight with her avatar for Haru, that makes no sense to me...

judasmartel · 2012-12-16, 17:50

Ah, the second ED? Erm, dude, it's an anime phenomenon known as the Tsundere. You must have seen this before. If not, well, here it is.

Haru is DEVOTED to KYH (short-hand for KuroYukiHime), he just can't believe a very gorgeous girl like her can fall in love with him. Which is why he tries hard to become worthy of her.

KYH, on the other hand, is genuinely in love with Haru just the way he is (fats and all). She has spent so much time in Accel World (1 day in AW equals about 3 years in real life) that she has gone past the point of judging people based on appearances and caring about what people would say about her taste in romantic partners.

Even if we discount that, KYH has seen great potential in Haru to become a great Burst Linker. His pig avatar is so fast that KYH had to Burst Link just to beat his scores in virtual squash.

Chiyu actually loves Haru more than Taku, but Haru's low self-confidence led him to tell her to go with Taku since Taku loves her.

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-16, 17:59

But to me it's seens that if Haru was not so low self stem he wold choose KYH...
But my true question is... In 12 books, something have changed, except for and spoiler part that was in my post above?
I mean, is Haru better with this low self stem situation? Is he becomes closer to someone? Or in better words, his releatonships have envolved in some way?

(This is something that bother me a little, it's seems to me that Haru relationships if far to going to anywere... And in comparasion to SAO this is toooo slow (okay, SAO in other hand is something that we can call a little fast... But 12 books is not a little to slow?)

judasmartel · 2012-12-16, 22:24

Let's just say Haru was emotionally scarred so bad from all the bullying he experienced from when he was younger. Okay, 12 volumes is too slow character development, but how long is that in the AW universe time? Maybe one year?

Recovering from bullying is not that easy. It takes time, even several years, to recover from being bullied, even with the best support system possible, especially someone like Haru.

You don't expect Haru to become a super-confident badass in a very short span of time (which brings to question again how much time has passed in the story since Haru met KYH), but yes, after getting out of being bullied for quite some time, Haru should at least be able to get out of his comfort zone when he has to. Because it's better to do it but fail than not trying to do it at all.

I think Haru has his courageous moments, but relapses into his old self whenever he experiences the fear of the unknown or something outside of his comfort zone. For example, Noumi, who uses blackmail and psychological warfare against him. Haru is not used to dealing with people like him because he's used to physical and verbal abuse back then. He didn't know how to play Noumi's game, until he finally figured it out on his own.

About the plot, Haru has to deal with the CD Armor himself. I imagined this would take long, because there is real possibility that the armor would possess him if he's not careful.

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-17, 06:57

Makes sense... Also, in the same way SOA jumped 2 years in two books

Sunder the Gold · 2012-12-18, 20:05

Hey, by any chance, do the novels beyond the anime address whether or not Purple Thorn has Red Rider's horse?

Yeah, my eyes kind of skipped over the horse at the King's Meeting the first time I watched the anime, but afterwards I was thinking about what "Rider" would mean. So the second time around, I was looking for it -- and there it was!

It even seemed to survive his death, though Yellow Radio's video didn't keep rolling long enough to show Rider's body dissolve. It's possible that the horse disappeared when that happened.

But aside from the Armor of Catastrophe, even normal Enhancement Armaments are said to sometimes survive the death of their owners. So the Purple King might still have her boyfriend's horse to remember him by.

(I assume Rider could equip the horse with guns too heavy for his avatar to carry, much like Niko created the Immobile Fortress to contain her artillery.)

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-21, 22:41

some other questions

1 - in light novel, they say in what haru have spended his points in leving up? I suposse that is in better flying ability, but i dont have sure.

2 - is there any topic about Haru relationships? like Haru and KYH or Haru and chiyu... Because i don't have found ay topic about it... Anyway, what you think? Should Haru be KYH or chiyu (or other one)

To me, he better fits with KYH because he really look to love her and because she have changed him to better (and as far i can see, he have the same effect on her) also chiyu have Taku, even if her looks like to preffer to be with Haru she have chossed Taku.

3 - It's just me or its seens that SAO will have a second season before Accel world (if some of then will have any)

judasmartel · 2012-12-22, 01:04

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Originally Posted by draxdeveloper

some other questions

1 - in light novel, they say in what haru have spended his points in leving up? I suposse that is in better flying ability, but i dont have sure.

2 - is there any topic about Haru relationships? like Haru and KYH or Haru and chiyu... Because i don't have found ay topic about it... Anyway, what you think? Should Haru be KYH or chiyu (or other one)

To me, he better fits with KYH because he really look to love her and because she have changed him to better (and as far i can see, he have the same effect on her) also chiyu have Taku, even if her looks like to preffer to be with Haru she have chossed Taku.

3 - It's just me or its seens that SAO will have a second season before Accel world (if some of then will have any)

1. Haru built Silver Crow exclusively on speed, because it augments the attack power of his special abilities which would usually be very weak in comparison to the other Duel Avatars (Lotus has the Death Slash abilities compared to Haru's Punch and Kick). Just imagine Haru as Accel World's version of Admiral Kizaru from One Piece to get my point.

2. Not sure about it since I haven't read any of the Light Novels yet. But yes, Haru/KYH seems to be the thing. So I guess Chiyu has to settle with Taku.

3. No question, SAO is way more popular than AW, because more people prefer the tall-thin-and-lanky badass MC Kirito over the small-and-fat "loser" MC Haru.

That doesn't mean Haru is not developing, though. It's just that many people find his character development to be too slow for a usual fighting anime MC. They expect them to become super confident badasses in a span of a single LN volume after all. Even if psychology says otherwise.

As I have stated a lot of times, recovery from bullying is NOT something you can do in three seconds flat, even with the best support system possible. It takes months or even years to recover from being bullied. And people will never understand that because they have never been bullied all their life.

See, once you get out of bullying, you're left with very low self-esteem and being unable to trust other people even if you wanted to, because you're still scared you will get hurt again. A reassuring support system really helps in this process. Take all this from a former bullying victim as myself.

SAO has its own flaws, too. Adaptation was too fast and skipped several important arcs in the LNs, Kirito was portrayed rather too perfectly (he doesn't even need to break a sweat to win battles even against the toughest opponents), too much focus on Kirito/Asuna at the expense of the other females in the cast, etc.

Kudos to Kawahara-sensei for being able to balance his time between two LNs which turned out to be very popular.

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-22, 21:52

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Originally Posted by judasmartel

1. Haru built Silver Crow exclusively on speed, because it augments the attack power of his special abilities which would usually be very weak in comparison to the other Duel Avatars (Lotus has the Death Slash abilities compared to Haru's Punch and Kick). Just imagine Haru as Accel World's version of Admiral Kizaru from One Piece to get my point.

2. Not sure about it since I haven't read any of the Light Novels yet. But yes, Haru/KYH seems to be the thing. So I guess Chiyu has to settle with Taku.

3. No question, SAO is way more popular than AW, because more people prefer the tall-thin-and-lanky badass MC Kirito over the small-and-fat "loser" MC Haru.

That doesn't mean Haru is not developing, though. It's just that many people find his character development to be too slow for a usual fighting anime MC. They expect them to become super confident badasses in a span of a single LN volume after all. Even if psychology says otherwise.

As I have stated a lot of times, recovery from bullying is NOT something you can do in three seconds flat, even with the best support system possible. It takes months or even years to recover from being bullied. And people will never understand that because they have never been bullied all their life.

See, once you get out of bullying, you're left with very low self-esteem and being unable to trust other people even if you wanted to, because you're still scared you will get hurt again. A reassuring support system really helps in this process. Take all this from a former bullying victim as myself.

SAO has its own flaws, too. Adaptation was too fast and skipped several important arcs in the LNs, Kirito was portrayed rather too perfectly (he doesn't even need to break a sweat to win battles even against the toughest opponents), too much focus on Kirito/Asuna at the expense of the other females in the cast, etc.

Kudos to Kawahara-sensei for being able to balance his time between two LNs which turned out to be very popular.

I would add here that the relation between kirito and asuna was too fast o0( at least in the anime adaptation)

also what is MC?

Awrya · 2012-12-22, 22:35

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Originally Posted by draxdeveloper

I would add here that the relation between kirito and asuna was too fast o0( at least in the anime adaptation)

also what is MC?

MC = Main Character.

Kirito and Asuna's relation was quite fast in the LN as well, compared to them, Haru's and KYH's relationship is quite slow.

After 12 volumes, how much time has passed since it started? Have they already reached summer time in the novel?

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-22, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Awrya

MC = Main Character.

Kirito and Asuna's relation was quite fast in the LN as well, compared to them, Haru's and KYH's relationship is quite slow.

After 12 volumes, how much time has passed since it started? Have they already reached summer time in the novel?

Haru and KYH is just slow, dont need to compare to Kirito and Asuna(but also the times passes slower in the Accel world and also have all the story about bullying said before)

Well, it's is fast, but i can't say anything about it
(real life example here lol... But i am still with the person in question

)
But is just.. Unusual in series (anime, sitcom etc)

judasmartel · 2012-12-23, 01:12

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Originally Posted by draxdeveloper

Well, it's is fast, but i can't say anything about it
(real life example here lol... But i am still with the person in question

)
But is just.. Unusual in series (anime, sitcom etc)

Haha, unusual it is. It kinda forces its viewers who are used to fighting anime staples to get out of their comfort zone and really pushes the "put yourself into the MC's shoes" concept to its limits.

But really, I hate it when they call "cliche" on Haru and yet expect a fighting anime MC to be like Kirito, a badass MC who physically looks no different than Shinji Ikari, who is probably the most hated fighting anime MC ever. Both are tall and lanky, in case you don't get what I'm saying.

NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF FIGHTING ANIME HAVE TALL AND LANKY MC's, so why not give a short-and-fat MC like Haru a chance for a change, right?

Ray · 2012-12-23, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Awrya

Kirito and Asuna's relation was quite fast in the LN as well, compared to them, Haru's and KYH's relationship is quite slow.

Quite slow? It's so slow that it's basically non-existent. Honestly, as much as I had liked it at one time, it's basically wasted potential now. If they're going to get together at all, then it'll be at the very end.

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Originally Posted by judasmartel

Both are tall and lanky, in case you don't get what I'm saying.

Oh, please tell me you're joking.. They're like, what, average height? A person who's "lanky" is ungracefully thin and tall (so calling them tall and lanky is redundant). Both Kirito and Shinji are far from that. I have nothing against Haru, in fact, I actually like him, however, you're just bashing those characters by calling them "lanky".

judasmartel · 2012-12-23, 09:29

Of course I am joking. What I'm saying is, 99% of anime have thin guys for MCs. I think it was about damn time to have a fat MC for a change, because thin MC is too mainstream. And yet people preach like Kirito is the savior of 2010's anime and all future anime MCs should be patterned after him or else they will be bashed as weak MCs.

draxdeveloper · 2012-12-23, 09:37

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Originally Posted by judasmartel

Haha, unusual it is. It kinda forces its viewers who are used to fighting anime staples to get out of their comfort zone and really pushes the "put yourself into the MC's shoes" concept to its limits.

But really, I hate it when they call "cliche" on Haru and yet expect a fighting anime MC to be like Kirito, a badass MC who physically looks no different than Shinji Ikari, who is probably the most hated fighting anime MC ever. Both are tall and lanky, in case you don't get what I'm saying.

NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF FIGHTING ANIME HAVE TALL AND LANKY MC's, so why not give a short-and-fat MC like Haru a chance for a change, right?

Hey, don't hate Shinji here loLXD

2012-12-16, 00:45	Link #1701
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Spoiler for KYH is unable to destroy her 'parent'?: In Episode 9, KYH says that she wants to eliminate her sister, White Cosmos, more than anyone else, but that it's an impossible wish because they know each other in real life. This made sense at first, back when we thought that people eliminated from the game still remembered it, and therefore could carry a grudge against the one who deleted them and seek revenge in the physical world. But later, the anime reveals how Brain Burst erases the memories of the erased. So, why does it matter that White Cosmos is her sister? If Black Lotus defeats her, she won't remember it at all, and won't be able to hold a grudge against KYH.

2012-12-16, 16:43	Link #1706
draxdeveloper Member Join Date: Dec 2012	Some questions Ok, i have some questions relatade to some ofd the relationships with haru... First, about Chiyu.... It's seems to me that she realy loves Haru, and not Taku... But until the last episode of the anime Haru seems to like her as a friend... Something in that point chenge until the novel 12? Haru pass to show more deep fellings for her? Now, about KYH... it's a bit confuse... To me, Haru seems to love KYH, and i am not saying admiration, i am saying love, but like someone said here... It's seems unreal to Haru that KYH can love him, even if her have said so. In another point, until the last episode of anime, i have my doubts about her fellings towards Haru, because she says that loves him, but... Spoiler for episode 24 form anime: When Haru says that his reward is to be forever with her, she seems to be sacred with this... And this dont make sense if she have really declared her true love to him... And because of this i don't now if her really love him or if her have another reason to say that love him... But, in the light novel, they relationship have changed in some way? Spoiler for light novel, ash roller: Now about Ash Roller... I have no idea what happened, but Haru like with Chiyu, dont seems to fell the same Also, it's seems to me that the only one Haru have true fellings is KHY, even if he don't believe in the possibility of they staying toghter And just one more doubt, someone have understanded the second end of anime? Why the real KHY fight with her avatar for Haru, that makes no sense to me...

2012-12-16, 22:24	Link #1709
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	Let's just say Haru was emotionally scarred so bad from all the bullying he experienced from when he was younger. Okay, 12 volumes is too slow character development, but how long is that in the AW universe time? Maybe one year? Recovering from bullying is not that easy. It takes time, even several years, to recover from being bullied, even with the best support system possible, especially someone like Haru. You don't expect Haru to become a super-confident badass in a very short span of time (which brings to question again how much time has passed in the story since Haru met KYH), but yes, after getting out of being bullied for quite some time, Haru should at least be able to get out of his comfort zone when he has to. Because it's better to do it but fail than not trying to do it at all. I think Haru has his courageous moments, but relapses into his old self whenever he experiences the fear of the unknown or something outside of his comfort zone. For example, Noumi, who uses blackmail and psychological warfare against him. Haru is not used to dealing with people like him because he's used to physical and verbal abuse back then. He didn't know how to play Noumi's game, until he finally figured it out on his own. About the plot, Haru has to deal with the CD Armor himself. I imagined this would take long, because there is real possibility that the armor would possess him if he's not careful. Last edited by judasmartel; 2012-12-17 at 09:33.

2012-12-16, 05:26	Link #1702
Meltyred Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011	It's more like she is unable to "win" against her. Which is said in the later volumes. And then spoilerish stuff happens.. just look back through the pages.

2012-12-16, 06:05	Link #1703
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	So Lotus was unable to win against Cosmos? Lotus was already broken when we first saw her in combat, so that says something about Cosmos.

2012-12-16, 09:19	Link #1704
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	Have you forgotten that White Cosmos is invisible in BB? How are you supposed to defeat someone like this?

2012-12-16, 09:37	Link #1705
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	"Don't think. Feel." - Bruce Lee I thought Cosmos' invisibility only applies against lower-leveled Duel Avatars. Since she's Level 9, only other Level 9's can see her. With that in mind, it is possible that Cosmos was of a higher level than Lotus when they fought last time, so the invisibility applies, and Lotus was not able to see her the entire fight.

2012-12-16, 17:50	Link #1707
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	Ah, the second ED? Erm, dude, it's an anime phenomenon known as the Tsundere. You must have seen this before. If not, well, here it is. Haru is DEVOTED to KYH (short-hand for KuroYukiHime), he just can't believe a very gorgeous girl like her can fall in love with him. Which is why he tries hard to become worthy of her. KYH, on the other hand, is genuinely in love with Haru just the way he is (fats and all). She has spent so much time in Accel World (1 day in AW equals about 3 years in real life) that she has gone past the point of judging people based on appearances and caring about what people would say about her taste in romantic partners. Even if we discount that, KYH has seen great potential in Haru to become a great Burst Linker. His pig avatar is so fast that KYH had to Burst Link just to beat his scores in virtual squash. Chiyu actually loves Haru more than Taku, but Haru's low self-confidence led him to tell her to go with Taku since Taku loves her.

2012-12-16, 17:59	Link #1708
draxdeveloper Member Join Date: Dec 2012	But to me it's seens that if Haru was not so low self stem he wold choose KYH... But my true question is... In 12 books, something have changed, except for and spoiler part that was in my post above? I mean, is Haru better with this low self stem situation? Is he becomes closer to someone? Or in better words, his releatonships have envolved in some way? (This is something that bother me a little, it's seems to me that Haru relationships if far to going to anywere... And in comparasion to SAO this is toooo slow (okay, SAO in other hand is something that we can call a little fast... But 12 books is not a little to slow?)

2012-12-17, 06:57	Link #1710
draxdeveloper Member Join Date: Dec 2012	Makes sense... Also, in the same way SOA jumped 2 years in two books

2012-12-18, 20:05	Link #1711
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Hey, by any chance, do the novels beyond the anime address whether or not Purple Thorn has Red Rider's horse? Yeah, my eyes kind of skipped over the horse at the King's Meeting the first time I watched the anime, but afterwards I was thinking about what "Rider" would mean. So the second time around, I was looking for it -- and there it was! It even seemed to survive his death, though Yellow Radio's video didn't keep rolling long enough to show Rider's body dissolve. It's possible that the horse disappeared when that happened. But aside from the Armor of Catastrophe, even normal Enhancement Armaments are said to sometimes survive the death of their owners. So the Purple King might still have her boyfriend's horse to remember him by. (I assume Rider could equip the horse with guns too heavy for his avatar to carry, much like Niko created the Immobile Fortress to contain her artillery.)

2012-12-21, 22:41	Link #1712
draxdeveloper Member Join Date: Dec 2012	some other questions 1 - in light novel, they say in what haru have spended his points in leving up? I suposse that is in better flying ability, but i dont have sure. 2 - is there any topic about Haru relationships? like Haru and KYH or Haru and chiyu... Because i don't have found ay topic about it... Anyway, what you think? Should Haru be KYH or chiyu (or other one) To me, he better fits with KYH because he really look to love her and because she have changed him to better (and as far i can see, he have the same effect on her) also chiyu have Taku, even if her looks like to preffer to be with Haru she have chossed Taku. 3 - It's just me or its seens that SAO will have a second season before Accel world (if some of then will have any)

2012-12-23, 09:29	Link #1719
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	Of course I am joking. What I'm saying is, 99% of anime have thin guys for MCs. I think it was about damn time to have a fat MC for a change, because thin MC is too mainstream. And yet people preach like Kirito is the savior of 2010's anime and all future anime MCs should be patterned after him or else they will be bashed as weak MCs.