Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[deathforall]

if anyone can link me to the pg where the english translations for volume 5 the summer holiday one, i would greatly appreciate it

[Yami no Ou]

Originally Posted by deathforall

if anyone can link me to the pg where the english translations for volume 5 the summer holiday one, i would greatly appreciate it

i don't think there is a complete translation of vol 5 in english out there

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by deathforall

if anyone can link me to the pg where the english translations for volume 5 the summer holiday one, i would greatly appreciate it

this one

Summer break

or this one ?

Memories of summer

[deathforall]

was hoping for a complete volume 5 done by anyone on this forum

[Yami no Ou]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

this one

Summer break

or this one ?

Memories of summer

I think he meant the translated whole volume

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by deathforall

was hoping for a complete volume 5 done by anyone on this forum

there are some summary if you really want to know about it.

no offense, but i think the story is not important.

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Credits to aespire of Jcafe:

The honour student's supplementary lesson

Spoiler:

Story is about Morisaki and a girl he met while out trying to clear his mind and put things into perspective. In part, the story also include social commentary on how the society in general view magicians, how views of magicians are elites etc etc.
While training over and over again at his club (one of the shooting based magic sports club), he met Kazumi(I think that was part of her name) who had came over to obtain some equipment, at which point Morisaki found out that actually a lot of equipment are shared amongst the shooting based sports clubs and only people like Morisaki who purely use their personal CAD does not know about this arrangement. She then commented that over-training is bad for him, and that she noticed that he has been doing the same thing for a long time and he appears to be overworking himself to the point of exhaustion.
He himself had already realised this but stubbornly refused to rest, and it is only because of this insistence from someone that he's taking a break. Thus he changed and went into the city alone. There was some background info about Morisaki and his family's abilities and its development, and also how because of this, his family's side business (which is now its main bread earner) is to train and provide bodyguards, which he has also been involved occasionally.
It was during this roam around that he spotted a (pretty) girl, who he thought was a magician, and that for some reason, he was drawn to follow her. He then noticed that they moved into an area with a distinct lack of people (magic involved) and witnessed people (including magicians) in suits attempting to persuade her to follow them. He disrupted them and escaped with her.
He found out later that her name was Rin (I think) and she is not a magician, but she carried on her a real magician made artifact that was supposed to "make people take less notice of her", although it doesn't seem to work on Morisaki and some others. Later they were way laid by some punks who were interested in "having fun" with Rin, to make the story short, Morisaki gave them an ass kicking, which resulted in them calling him a "monster" (some of the social view on magicians being freaks etc).

Later, arriving near the coastline (can't remember where exactly) Rin had a talk with Morisaki on whether magicians are people who loves to fight and such and how people (and her) view magicians as freaks, monster and they exists like Deus ex machina (phrase used in the book or what the source I read included).
Then the men in suits appeared again in force and this time, it was a more even fight (the first time Morisaki surprised them), and it showed how skillful and experienced Morisaki is really as he single handedly took out his opponents (which included magicians).
Later he and Rin parted ways after people she was supposed to meet arrived via a boat/ship. While the ship is leaving, the dialog between Rin and the people on the ship indicates that she is the successor of the leadership of "No Head Dragon" and she was an adopted daughter of the previous leader. She is not a magician and can't use magic (which was a break from the usual norm where the people in the higher echelons of the leadership are magicians).

Amelia in Wonderland

Spoiler:

*sorry, a little lazy to continue fully go into details now with the previous long passage*
The story is about Amelia and the Goldie family.
Story starts with a call from Amelia's maternal grandmother, who is the most influential person in the Goldie family after the head of family. She told Amelia to transfer to Switerland etc which Amerlia was suprised about as normally her grandmother does not get involved much in such matters.
Later Amelia had arranged with a friend(Akaba) to go to a theme park. Akaba arrived with Subaru (the same one that was mentioned to be boyish by Tatsuya in the 9-school battle, like a bishounen) as with Subaru there, she will not get hit on by people as they'll appear to be like a couple.
After going into the theme park, Amelia was separated from the others and while being lost in a unused part of the theme park, met the "Phantom" of the theme park, who happened to be a classmate of hers (sorry, not sure how to translate his name, his surname has the number 13). His nickname is "Range Zero", which is both a praise for having extremely high abilities at point blank range and a nickname for people who are bad at ranged magic. He is skilled at Marshal Magic Arts, a form of unarmed close quarters combat skill using magic.
They realized that they were "trapped" by unmarked (on map) barriers which can only be because of magic, and when they were about to break out, people appeared, who seemed to be interested in Amelia's skill "Magic Bullet Tathlum", which is a secret magic skill of the Goldie family. However, it was supposed to be a secret that she was taught this skill, as this skill is only normally taught to the members of the Goldie main family. They were trying to convince her to follow them because people are targeting her, and in exchange for their protection, would be the secrets of Tathlum. There was discussion about that people not of the main family would not have been taught the skill, and without this, they have no rights to the succession of the Goldie family leadership, as Tathlum is what represents the Goldie Family (like how Phalanx is for Juumonji). The negotiation fell through and the men were beaten off. It is because of this, that Amelia took an interest in her classmate (part of which you will see in Double 7 story arc).

Friendship, trust and the dubious lolicon

Spoiler:

As per the reply from someone else, this was the story about the relationship between George and the Ichijou family. How he was a war orphan from the invasion by Russia(actual name used in the LN is different) 3 years ago (which was shortly after the Okinawa invasion). How the eldest daughter was interested (she wants to be the wife of George) in George and that the family is very welcome to having him stay with them instead of at the hostel/dorm. The story showed the basic make up of the Ichijou family (parents, son, and 2 younger daughters), how because of the daughter's interest in George, there are rumors that George is a lolicon. The story also indicates George's biggest wish to be useful to the Ichijou family, to repay them, and most importantly to be Masaki's "Aide to the General" (they are quite involved in things to do with the military and the talk revolves around Masaki being the best General and George will be his advisor etc).

side note, Masaki said he believes that George is not a lolicon and that he trust his sister to him (marriage etc).

[Kyosuke_Nanbu]

Are there any indication those suits that Morisaki beat Government agents?

[Ultragunner]

thank you for the summary.

But sth is greatly bothering me at this point,

Why does Japan keeps getting invaded? Is it because it is the centre of magic (the Ten Master Clan, Kudo...etc...)?

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

thank you for the summary.

But sth is greatly bothering me at this point,

Why does Japan keeps getting invaded? Is it because it is the centre of magic (the Ten Master Clan, Kudo...etc...)?

It was invaded once (reminiscence arc) because the Asian Alliance wanted to steal their stuff. The second was part revenge and part steal more stuff.

Japan isn't actually the "center" of magic, since it's implied in magical terms both US and Asian Alliance can out gun them, but they are the most advanced.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by XFire

It was invaded once (reminiscence arc) because the Asian Alliance wanted to steal their stuff. The second was part revenge and part steal more stuff.

Japan isn't actually the "center" of magic, since it's implied in magical terms both US and Asian Alliance can out gun them, but they are the most advanced.

MKnR Author Geo Political set is like almost XIII to XVII centuries in global history, remember Khan dynasty triying to overcome Asia and the mithical Susanoo intervention to sink Mongolian Military forces right when they go to invade Japan.
USNA believe AA will not have streght to invade and keep Japan, but its benefical for them if Japan and AA come weak due hostilities, like when in 2062 Yotsuba Clan revenge blow off the Military force of small country in Asia and this was big help to AA invade and add that territory, so USNA maths think if Japan and AA keep whith it, USNA will gain more power, unfortunately, the equation comes to screw like shi*t cuz Yotsuba new generation, specially Tats due his strategic Class rank, if you doubht about this see 5th Clan influence with just 1 SC Magician, 4th Clan are ready World Balance breakers since their revenge in 2062, but now are really dreadfull People, this is what Retysu and Koichi fear most, in really short term (2 to 4 years) Yotsuba new generation will replace the old ones and together will have enough power to absolutely overcome the rest of the 10th Master Clans, just to quotes some people: Far East Maou or Midnight Queen, Makeshivara and the Ice Queen, I dont think this will keep "peaceful" as now We saw on the LN, at the end of Vol 8 ch17 says something about the havoc and disaster to come.
Thinking deeply in Ninendo D7, ch4 and with the few info We got, I think the new project will be a huge hit to Political and Military society, off course the Magical too, cuz in theory, Magicians could use their strenght with Civilian uses, but, just my guess: We ready known Tats like to develop and give open source to his spells, his profits come from FLT 3rd Division specially designed CADs and items to use that spells or technologies, so, their new invention will be supported by FLT 3rd Division??, most likely...

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by XFire

It was invaded once (reminiscence arc) because the Asian Alliance wanted to steal their stuff. The second was part revenge and part steal more stuff.

Japan isn't actually the "center" of magic, since it's implied in magical terms both US and Asian Alliance can out gun them, but they are the most advanced.

besides is a post WWIII setting so not just japan but a lot of countries have border troubles and political tension.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

thank you for the summary.

But sth is greatly bothering me at this point,

Why does Japan keeps getting invaded? Is it because it is the centre of magic (the Ten Master Clan, Kudo...etc...)?

The same reason why China, France and America want a piece of Viet Nam.

Japan seems weaker than other nation so they are an easier prey compared to others.
We go from the appetizer to the main meal after all.

That's my opinion.

[Oxide]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Pro: cast-time irrelevant as you can prepare and active the spell before combat and keeping it active as you enter combat.
Con: require lots of resources to maintain the spell and Tatsuya got that cover.

persistent magic (like sonic blade) requires frequent recasting in order to maintain its phenomena rewritting effect(restorative power of the Eidos) and psions don't direcly fuel the magic but provide building blocks for magic sequnces ... whole process is a bit more complicated than activating sequence(requires significant magic power: speed, capacity, interference) and providing psions, without going into details magic you suggest is more in line with niflheim and is actualy Miyuki area of expertise ...

Originally Posted by bietchie11

The same reason why China, France and America want a piece of Viet Nam.

Japan seems weaker than other nation so they are an easier prey compared to others.
We go from the appetizer to the main meal after all.

'Nam was battleground for democracy vs communism clash ... what we had here was a play to weaken strong country on international political stage ... kind of backfired if you ask me ...

[Ultragunner]

Haha, I'm actually from Vietnam myself, can't completely deny what either of you two said though

I understand about the border conflicts and stuffs after a World War, but from the LN, it seems that many want to take down Japan: Asian Alliance, New Soviet Union (from the short story about George I reckon)...

It was invaded once (reminiscence arc) because the Asian Alliance wanted to steal their stuff. The second was part revenge and part steal more stuff.

Japan isn't actually the "center" of magic, since it's implied in magical terms both US and Asian Alliance can out gun them, but they are the most advanced.

So Japan is the most advanced in term of magical technologies (not necessarily means that Japan is the strongest military-wise) ? And that's the reason why AA want to steal stuff through invasion? If they merely want technological information, isn't it going too far, with all the risks & cost?

[Anthony.N]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

Haha, I'm actually from Vietnam myself, can't completely deny what either of you two said though

I understand about the border conflicts and stuffs after a World War, but from the LN, it seems that many want to take down Japan: Asian Alliance, New Soviet Union (from the short story about George I reckon)...



So Japan is the most advanced in term of magical technologies (not necessarily means that Japan is the strongest military-wise) ? And that's the reason why AA want to steal stuff through invasion? If they merely want technological information, isn't it going too far, with all the risks & cost?

In term of strength we really dont know which country is the "strongest", cuz so far we mostly view the story based on Japanese characters and the great lack of info about other countries.

Asian Alliance, New Soviet Union, USNA => damn huge countries, its like 10xtimes larger than Japan in my opinion, easier to invade.

Also a Vietnamese here , one more reason to invade us is we have a quite large sea controlled areas could affect trade routes of lot countries and continents.

There are more meaning in invading than just to steal or expand, likes to prove military strength, takeing the lead in term of power, etc....

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by Oxide

'Nam was battleground for democracy vs communism clash ... what we had here was a play to weaken strong country on international political stage ... kind of backfired if you ask me ...

Spoiler for nothing to see here, move along:

That's where you are wrong.
That's a propaganda only made in VietNam vs America.

Before that, there is France's neo colonization. France's propaganda: we come to enlighten the lesser race, teach them "knowledge" and bring them "happiness".

And even before France, Viet Nam was constantly invaded by Chinese dynasties. "You are my vassals. Your land is our land". Or" you are one of my provinces, stop the riot and political unrest".

Every one of those propaganda is very justified if you only talk and not look at the actual facts.
Way i see it, Unlce Sam is only the last in the long line of Vietnam's invaders.
And to be honest, meddle with other's affair is wrong to begin with. (all of those above try to meddle and control Vietnam's affairs.)

Well, let leave it at that. We are not here to talk about politic and history. I only mean to make it relate-able to real life for an easier understanding.

Like i said, first time AA tried to invade Japan, they thinked that Japan is an easy prey to make them stronger.
Just like one dude in the ancient Chinese said to his king: "if your majesty try to conquer big and far-away countries, you will be at the risk of getting your army exhausted, being defeated and being back-stabed by smaller but closer country. This is why the best policy is that we make friends with big and far-away countries, conquer smaller countries around us to build strength and then conquer the rest of those big countries." -something along that line.
It's very natural actually. After conquering VietNam, Korean, next country in the list is Japan.

Second time, part of revenge, part of steal information to see why they have their ass kicked.
And also part of the prey is made even easier since its allies abandon it.=free food.
Nobody, include me, can resist free stuffs.

Russia, and other countries's army mobilization show they are wary of the possibility of Japan being a real threat. Better safe than sorry.

I don't think Japan is the most advance in magic and there aren't enough information to suggest that, although there is a high possibility the author goes fanboy mode and make Japan the best in term of the quality of the magicians.
Why? because he is a f*cking Japanese that's why. _{I would do the same if i'm in his shoe.}

[havensgate]

one strange fact in mahouka universe is that japan survive ww3 without merge with other country. almost all country in the world either dissolve or merge with another, and yet japan is still japan. if we view it "as it is" that mean japan has strong military, not the strongest but strong enough to withstand on its own, and magical technology advance enough to counter it small military. I think its because "small" and "advance" that make AA continue to invade japan. but surely they forgot about "strong" part

[willx]

USNA is supposed to be Japan's ally. So like present day if the Asian Alliance gets too strong and tries to conquer Japan, the USNA will help Japan. Seeing as right now Japan is getting too strong, the USNA will stand by and let the Asian Alliance raid them to weaken them.

It's simple geopolitics? What's so confusing? The weak eat the strong. Strength can come through arms, economy, alliances and in this world, magic -- nomonomonomonomnom!

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by willx

USNA is supposed to be Japan's ally. So like present day if the Asian Alliance gets too strong and tries to conquer Japan, the USNA will help Japan. Seeing as right now Japan is getting too strong, the USNA will stand by and let the Asian Alliance raid them to weaken them.

It's simple geopolitics? What's so confusing? The weak eat the strong. Strength can come through arms, economy, alliances and in this world, magic -- nomonomonomonomnom!

simply to say that

japan poses a very real threat to USNA hegemony and world domination.

[bietchie11]

Well, that's the part that the author went "fanboy" mode.

If Vietnam is conquered by China, no one else won't be conquered by China. That's the fact.
Japanese is not a part of AA while other Asia countries do clearly shows the author's favoritism toward Japan.

That's why i said :"there is a high possibility the author goes fanboy mode and make Japan the best in term of the quality of the magicians.", even though as for now, there isn't any evident to suggest that.