2012-04-24, 21:00 | Link #861 | |
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2012-04-24, 22:26 | Link #862 |
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I would agree with the fire king over reacting if we actually knew what the nature of Claire's sister's betrayal was. It's unexplained.
I don't recall reading anything about setting the whole continent on fire. All of the countries in the book are on the same continent and are doing fine. On top of that, no one outside of Claire's country even knows about the "calamity queen". Maybe I missed something.
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2012-04-24, 22:29 | Link #863 | |
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2012-04-24, 22:37 | Link #864 | |
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2012-04-24, 22:44 | Link #865 |
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Not really.
Oh right, she stole a fire spirit. I forgot. Obviously it must have been of great importance. We can't judge the nature of that until we know what she did exactly and why. As for Rinslet's sister, that's just wrong. The Japanese novel implies that she did something that offended the water king, perhaps accidentally. She wasn't frozen simply because she was disliked. She wasn't close to succession as the main priestess either. She was recommended to serve with the hundreds of other priestesses. As for Calamity Queen, no one outside of the main country has a clue. Check Volume 4, in the ball prior to the blade dance, the ones remarking she is the sister of the calamity queen are nobles from her country. The other countries have no clue. Someone even asks her to dance. I could be wrong though.
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2012-04-24, 22:57 | Link #867 | |
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Hmm ok I guess I'm wrong about the Calamity Queen then. I'm going to be rereading if I can make time to translate. I totally missed anything about setting the whole continent on fire during my read through.
I dunno about the water king though. Who knows what Rinslet's sister did. It could have been pretty serious. She wasn't disliked, she was frozen as punishment for an offense. That's why Rinslet wants to ask for forgiveness rather than a simple please unfreeze my sister wish Quote:
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2012-04-24, 23:07 | Link #868 | |
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2012-04-24, 23:22 | Link #869 |
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As i said before, it is too hard to make out their personality due to the fact that so far their havent been any siprit king appearence, only people talk about them and their action, the only thing that is clear is the fact that in aworld where people lives depend on the spirit, they are literally absolute being and maybe thats where their self centered come from.
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2012-04-25, 00:21 | Link #870 | |
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2012-04-25, 00:21 | Link #871 | |
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2012-04-25, 00:26 | Link #872 | |
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2012-04-25, 00:54 | Link #873 | |
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2012-04-25, 01:14 | Link #874 | |
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-- The criminal's living grandparents -- Any children the criminal may have, over a certain age (which is usually variable depending on the time period) -- Any grandchildren the criminal may have, over a certain age (which is usually variable depending on the time period) -- Siblings and siblings-in-law (the siblings of the criminal and that of his or her spouse, in the case where he or she is married) -- Uncles of the criminal, as well as their spouses -- The criminal himself |
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2012-04-25, 01:17 | Link #875 | |
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But, let's stop the off-topic discussion here. What I meant with my example was, a spirit, especially their king, moral value and law might not necessarily mirror human's and not necessarily evil(well, they are if viewed from human perspective I guess lol). After all, they are a different kind of existence from human, just like how human is a different existence than animal, which also have their own set of law(usually within their pack). |
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2012-04-25, 01:26 | Link #876 | |
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2012-04-25, 01:32 | Link #877 |
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hm, I wasn't aware the intent of the punishment went that far (no revenge= non filial). Of course, I just remember this from a random conversation. Never really studied it in detail. Regarding that, I don't think it started from Qin Shi Huang. Even though he was known for his cruelty under Han Fei Zhi's philosophy, I think that term originated from the Ming Dynasty. But then again, this is all from memory.
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2012-04-25, 01:49 | Link #878 | |
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Indeed. But even among human, you have a law that state a theft is punishable by a cut of hand so I'm unwilling to judge the spirits king as evil because for me the line of being evil or not lies in the intent. Doing cruel things because of their own set of laws is not evil for me, just cruel, while doing cruel things just for the sake of seeing people suffer is evil.
Just like you said, the spirit kings action is cruel and excessive by human standard, but there's no indication that they do it in the brim of the moment just to see human suffer so far in the novel. They always do the punishment as a reaction to a human's mistake(if Sylphic's is right about Rinslet's sister being frozen due to an offense, no matter how small it is, not because the spirit king dislike her, since I haven't read that far yet). Maybe if we see from their perspective, Rinset and claire's sister offence is a huge matter for them. Quote:
I agree with your second statement. Don't forget that biblical god was also said to punish people to be unable to communicate just because they got too close to him by building babel tower, which is something unthinkable if done by human(it's like me shooting at someone's leg just because I don't like them getting close to me lol). Last edited by kuroishinigami; 2012-04-25 at 08:13. |
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2012-04-25, 02:08 | Link #879 |
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I'm from Theravada sect and I don't like it when people refer to Buddha as a god. He's an enlightened person who's close to god (even supreme beings have to respect him) but he's definitely human. When Buddhism spread to China, the Chinese just changed it a bit to make Buddhism more similar to their religion.
Even gods from Hindu are not very nice despite their concept to uphold dharma. The only one I consider flawless is Brahma. Vishnu's avatars are not too nice. The rest of the gods are varied in their personality but the leader of the gods, Indra, has a habit of boning sages' wives, aka adultery. They're the nicest bunch we have compared to Greek, Norse, Aztec and Babylonian though. BTW, according to Chinese history, there are times when ten of thousands people were executed for the crime one guy committed. Chinese is also the bloodiest nation in history. I read a lot of Chinese comics (manhua) and the revenge practice appears in most of them, so much I got tired. |
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