Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[~Diru~]

In all the murder scenes, there is one thing common about them, there is a symbol (I don't know the right term for them, so sorry )

I guess you mean the Magic Circles

Well the theory doesn't sound so bad from you POV, but I guess I can't answer positive or negative as the explanation to this would be a Spoiler

[Jan-Poo]

every once in a while the "hypnosis" theory emerges as a possible way to explain all the events in Umineko. The problem is that most people declared that they definitely won't like this turn of events, and they are hoping it won't end this way. ^^;

I originally thought it could be a valid possibility, but I must say that after hearing other opinions I changed my mind and I can't disagree with those who prefer a different development.

[mizou]

Can we know one day what happenned to rosa and maria before the tea party ?

[Ithekro]

From what I understand, hypnosis can't get someone to do something they won't do. It can get them to do weird things, but not something that goes against their nature, like murder their family.

[Vegitto-kun]

Originally Posted by mizou

Can we know one day what happenned to rosa and maria before the tea party ?

isn't it obvious?

They died

would of been creepy if they showed maria getting killed

but DEEN is not hardcore enough for that

[Jan-Poo]

The novel doesn't cover that part either. It ends with Rosa shooting the last bullets to the goats while it is implied She's got eaten alive alongside her daughter.

Now Klash is probably a lot busy with Ep5 translation (there's a lot of graphic to edit this time), anyway the TIPS say that both Rosa and Maria are "missing". In Rosa's case it also says that she got eaten alive by the goats and went to hell.

As for what "truly" happened, if you don't buy the fantasy version of the story, I guess we'll have to wait the end of the whole story.

Anyway like the ending of ep1: "When the seagull cries no one is left alive", so you can assume that they are all dead in the end Rosa and Maria included.

However that was never stated in red.

[mizou]

thanks jan-poo .. can't wait for the translation

[Sinestra]

Ok did Battler revive the challenge on pure force of will? That would mean even though he acknowledged Beatrice's existence deep inside he didnt really means it.

And with more witches joining the fray i guess its going to get even crazier now. I dont expect anyone to have any peace any time soon.

[Christen]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Ok did Battler revive the challenge on pure force of will? That would mean even though he acknowledged Beatrice's existence deep inside he didnt really means it.

And with more witches joining the fray i guess its going to get even crazier now. I dont expect anyone to have any peace any time soon.

Beatrice torturing Rosa made Battler revive his will.

[Vegitto-kun]

Originally Posted by Christen

Beatrice torturing Rosa made Battler revive his will.

I thought that he was talking about her fight

[orion]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

The novel doesn't cover that part either. It ends with Rosa shooting the last bullets to the goats while it is implied She's got eaten alive alongside her daughter.

Now Klash is probably a lot busy with Ep5 translation (there's a lot of graphic to edit this time), anyway the TIPS say that both Rosa and Maria are "missing". In Rosa's case it also says that she got eaten alive by the goats and went to hell.

As for what "truly" happened, if you don't buy the fantasy version of the story, I guess we'll have to wait the end of the whole story.

Anyway like the ending of ep1: "When the seagull cries no one is left alive", so you can assume that they are all dead in the end Rosa and Maria included.

However that was never stated in red.

So why did Rosa get such a harsh treatment? Being sent to hell?

[TsundereCake]

Originally Posted by orion

So why did Rosa get such a harsh treatment? Being sent to hell?

Do you even have to ask ?

[Vegitto-kun]

Originally Posted by orion

So why did Rosa get such a harsh treatment? Being sent to hell?

probably because she didn't believe in beatrice since beato did go how perfect it is that she got battler and rosa to admit she is a witch

[Ithekro]

I'd think it had more to do with Maria...since Maria seem to be in with Beatrice...at least somehow.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by orion

So why did Rosa get such a harsh treatment? Being sent to hell?

Although Rosa does deserve it (well, some suffering, at least), I don't think that was why she got sent to hell. The TIPS for Episode 2 also have Genji and Kinzo being sent to hell. The TIPS for Episode 1 said that Jessica and George were sent to hell after Battler refused to believe. Basically, people get sent to hell because Beatrice is a jerk.

[Vegitto-kun]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'd think it had more to do with Maria...since Maria seem to be in with Beatrice...at least somehow.

I doubt maria would want her mother to suffer

[urusai]

For all we know, hell in the Umineko universe could constitute playing table tennis with devil nee-chans.

[ChibiBear]

True...

[MeoTwister5]

I for one think Maria has some repressed feelings of anger towards her mother she's just displacing as mommy being possessed.

[Jan-Poo]

Maybe "sent to hell" is a figurative way to say that their bodies have been "burned". In fact Kinzo is ep1 is said to have been sent to hell, and we know he's been burned. The kind of graphic effect used by Ryukishi for those people's wounds is also pretty similar