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Destined_Fate · 2012-07-06, 04:24

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Originally Posted by Meltyred

Watching youtube comments on the new HD episode about how Kira survives is hilarious, when SEED Astray already answered that like a few years back...

Astray isn't in SEED HD, not everyone cares for the non-Anime stuff. The fact of the matter is that the series poorly explained how Kira survived(by not explaining at all) and had to use a side story to fill in such an important blank. A side story almost all western viewers have not even heard of nor care for.

Gundamx · 2012-07-06, 04:28

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Are you really surprised? Kira is still in the spotlight and Strike Freedom and Destiny are beating the crap out of each other on box art for games like SD Gundam G Generation and SRW when they get in. Seed Destiny has constantly been plastered in those games with usually Strike Freedom or Destiny used to represent the series. Kinda hard not to still be popular when they're still very relevant to many different media sources.

Than there's the HD Collection that renewed SEED popularity and since Kira pilots the Strike Freedom later it helps keep it popular. After all, why settle for the old Freedom when the Strike Freedom is everything the Freedom is but better?

Errr Freedom fighting style is different... (They only look same).
(Freedom have more have more power, better engine and faster )

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-06, 04:50

No, the Strike Freedom is better than the Freedom in every way and unlike the Freedom the Strike Freedom was personally worked under the eye of Kira who had gotten a feel of the pros and cons of the Freedom and which he liked and disliked. After all, the Freedom wasn't the ultimate Gundam. Not by far. The Destiny, Infinite Justice, Legend, and Strike Freedom easily surpass it. The Impulse as well since it at least was up to date while the Freedom had been resting in a hangar for years on end and still used old tech.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2012-07-06, 06:21

The Strike Freedom was never ONCE damaged by any other MS. That should tell you something right there. It's the Superman of the Gundam series. WAY too overpowered, and nigh invincible.

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-06, 06:27

It did appear late and didn't get anywhere the screentime as the Destiny Gundam. Don't forget that they went right to the finale of the EFA arc that Kira and co. weren't even a part of. Besides, Rey is no Raul. Rey was supposedly very skilled yet he's never shown to fight onpar as Shinn or Athrun let alone Kira. And since Shinn and Lunamaria were busy fighting Athrun... Yeah.

So there was literally no one else, since Athrun took Shinn and Lunamaria out of the picture, that could come close to touching Kira and his Super Gundam, that he helped make, by the time Destiny was coming to a close. Just Rey and a bunch of grunts which isn't saying much considering how easily he defeated Rey.

Washu-Chan · 2012-07-06, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Astray isn't in SEED HD, not everyone cares for the non-Anime stuff. The fact of the matter is that the series poorly explained how Kira survived(by not explaining at all) and had to use a side story to fill in such an important blank. A side story almost all western viewers have not even heard of nor care for.

More importantly, because of Sunrise's policy of "only animated works are considered canon" when it comes to Gundam, as well as not written by Fukuda, Morosawa, or anyone on the Seed/GSD writing staff, the Astray mangas are, at best, relegated to "secondary canon".

Speaking of which, is this the proper canon level, with the newer works taking higher priority:

Primary: Seed (original/HD), Seed Destiny, GSD Final Plus
Sub-Primary: The TV Movies of Seed and GSD, Stargazer
Secondary: The Astray mangas
Tertiary: Seed/GSD manga adaptations, GSD: The Edge, Suit CDs

Meltyred · 2012-07-06, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

More importantly, because of Sunrise's policy of "only animated works are considered canon" when it comes to Gundam, as well as not written by Fukuda, Morosawa, or anyone on the Seed/GSD writing staff, the Astray mangas are, at best, relegated to "secondary canon".

Speaking of which, is this the proper canon level, with the newer works taking higher priority:

Primary: Seed (original/HD), Seed Destiny, GSD Final Plus
Sub-Primary: The TV Movies of Seed and GSD, Stargazer
Secondary: The Astray mangas
Tertiary: Seed/GSD manga adaptations, GSD: The Edge, Suit CDs

So Crossbone is non canon?
B- but but...
Noooooooo

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-06, 13:59

Crossbone is in that gray area of canonicity by Sunrise's standards.

That said, the only ones who really give a shit about Sunrise's standards is Sunrise.

kaito-kid · 2012-07-06, 17:25

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

The Strike Freedom was never ONCE damaged by any other MS. That should tell you something right there. It's the Superman of the Gundam series. WAY too overpowered, and nigh invincible.

To me Kira didn't look invincible, I thought he simply didn't have any worthy opponents.. In Seed he was up against Raw, The best pilot from CE. Who was he up against in Destiny? Ray? That's just insulting.

There were plenty of strong and interesting characters from the Seed / Destiny side stories that Fukuda could have used as Kira's main opponent. Kira's brother for example, he at least had a good and personal reason to fight against Kira. But in the end it had to be Ray.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2012-07-06, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Crossbone is in that gray area of canonicity by Sunrise's standards.

That said, the only ones who really give a shit about Sunrise's standards is Sunrise.

I only use their canon rule for stuff I don't like.

Like Crossbone Gundam.

Washu-Chan · 2012-07-06, 18:23

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Originally Posted by kaito-kid

To me Kira didn't look invincible, I thought he simply didn't have any worthy opponents.. In Seed he was up against Raw, The best pilot from CE. Who was he up against in Destiny? Ray? That's just insulting.

There were plenty of strong and interesting characters from the Seed / Destiny side stories that Fukuda could have used as Kira's main opponent. Kira's brother for example, he at least had a good and personal reason to fight against Kira. But in the end it had to be Ray.

Do you think that the Shinn-Kira duel is still not finished?

The final duel could have been Destiny vs. SFreedom, and Legend vs. IJustice and Akatsuki.

I know that Shinn defeated Kira in their first encounter, and the second encounter at Orb probably ended in a draw. Kira would still win round 3, but it wouldn't be a flawless victory, and both suits would be heavily damaged.

The way I see it, Luna would get involved, but after she gets Savioured by Kira, Shinn would be motivated even more.

kakakka · 2012-07-06, 20:04

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Originally Posted by kaito-kid

There were plenty of strong and interesting characters from the Seed / Destiny side stories that Fukuda could have used as Kira's main opponent. Kira's brother for example, he at least had a good and personal reason to fight against Kira. But in the end it had to be Ray.

Sadly, no side-story people gets to animated series.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2012-07-06, 20:40

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Sadly, no side-story people gets to animated series.

I remember that Yzak's girlfriend, okay scratch that, his secret admirer, Shiho Hahnenfuss appears in Destiny (watching the monitor when Gil announcing the 'destiny plan') and at the end of Destiny Special Edition (looks surprised when Lacus hugs Kira) though

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Rising Dragon · 2012-07-06, 21:05

Yeah, but Shiho's less that and more one of those "celebrity guest stars". But since she doesn't get voiced in the show, they don't have to kill her off.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2012-07-06, 21:15

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Yeah, but Shiho's less that and more one of those "celebrity guest stars". But since she doesn't get voiced in the show, they don't have to kill her off.

Well, the point of my reply to kakakka is that: Shiho is from the manga/side-story and is indeed got to the animated series.

That would be sufficient, no?

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-06, 21:16

Maybe. All I'm saying is the only reason she DID make it from side-story to animation is because she's a celebrity guest star, and you know how well that worked out for TM Revolution...

monster · 2012-07-06, 21:24

Yeah, I believe one of the SEED/Destiny OP/ED singer was offered a role to be Shiho's voice, but she declined or something.

kaito-kid · 2012-07-06, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

The Impulse as well since it at least was up to date while the Freedom had been resting in a hangar for years on end and still used old tech.

lol no..

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Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

Do you think that the Shinn-Kira duel is still not finished?

The final duel could have been Destiny vs. SFreedom, and Legend vs. IJustice and Akatsuki.

I know that Shinn defeated Kira in their first encounter, and the second encounter at Orb probably ended in a draw. Kira would still win round 3, but it wouldn't be a flawless victory, and both suits would be heavily damaged.

The way I see it, Luna would get involved, but after she gets Savioured by Kira, Shinn would be motivated even more.

Shinn VS Athuren was better, because they actually knew each other. The Kira vs Shinn thing was a little too one sided, it never really took off.

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Originally Posted by kakakka

Sadly, no side-story people gets to animated series.

It really is sad. The side stories have a ton of great characters and interesting plot elements that could have been used, for instance, as sub plots to make secondary characters like Kira and Lacus more interesting.

Imagine if those comic relief characters from the Seiran family were replaced by the more ambitious and relevant characters from the Sahaku family.. It would have made Destiny so much better.

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Yeah, I believe one of the SEED/Destiny OP/ED singer was offered a role to be Shiho's voice, but she declined or something.

Nami Tamaki.. It's kind of weird that she declined.. Her career took off because of Seed. (She was a contestant in a star search competition by Sony music and the winner got to sing the third opening song for Seed)

kakakka · 2012-07-06, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I remember that Yzak's girlfriend, okay scratch that, his secret admirer, Shiho Hahnenfuss appears in Destiny (watching the monitor when Gil announcing the 'destiny plan') and at the end of Destiny Special Edition (looks surprised when Lacus hugs Kira) though

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Ah, cameo appearance. Well, I am just throwing my thoughts to kaito-kid's line about side story characters being in the TV series story/plot. My wording turned out a bit general, I guess.

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Originally Posted by kaito-kid

Imagine if those comic relief characters from the Seiran family were replaced by the more ambitious and relevant characters from the Sahaku family.. It would have made Destiny so much better.

Yeah, the Sahaku's have better looks and characters than the Seiran's.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2012-07-06, 21:53

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Originally Posted by kaito-kid

Imagine if those comic relief characters from the Seiran family were replaced by the more ambitious and relevant characters from the Sahaku family.. It would have made Destiny so much better.

Also, Imagine if they actually animate Lowe saving Kira. That would fill a big plot-hole
of the anime series.

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Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	No, the Strike Freedom is better than the Freedom in every way and unlike the Freedom the Strike Freedom was personally worked under the eye of Kira who had gotten a feel of the pros and cons of the Freedom and which he liked and disliked. After all, the Freedom wasn't the ultimate Gundam. Not by far. The Destiny, Infinite Justice, Legend, and Strike Freedom easily surpass it. The Impulse as well since it at least was up to date while the Freedom had been resting in a hangar for years on end and still used old tech.

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GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	The Strike Freedom was never ONCE damaged by any other MS. That should tell you something right there. It's the Superman of the Gundam series. WAY too overpowered, and nigh invincible.

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Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	It did appear late and didn't get anywhere the screentime as the Destiny Gundam. Don't forget that they went right to the finale of the EFA arc that Kira and co. weren't even a part of. Besides, Rey is no Raul. Rey was supposedly very skilled yet he's never shown to fight onpar as Shinn or Athrun let alone Kira. And since Shinn and Lunamaria were busy fighting Athrun... Yeah. So there was literally no one else, since Athrun took Shinn and Lunamaria out of the picture, that could come close to touching Kira and his Super Gundam, that he helped make, by the time Destiny was coming to a close. Just Rey and a bunch of grunts which isn't saying much considering how easily he defeated Rey.

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monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Yeah, I believe one of the SEED/Destiny OP/ED singer was offered a role to be Shiho's voice, but she declined or something.