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View Poll Results: Aquarion EVOL - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 18.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 20.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 12.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.62% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 4.62% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.15% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 3.08% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.54% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 18 | 27.69% | |
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2012-06-05, 06:14 | Link #321 |
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Wow this episode sum up the previous series... Its so clear to me.
Now that Shrades gone and Zessica controlled by Mykage... who will fight along side Amata with Aquarion. Will Andy and Cayenne help him or Mixy?! Well, it'll be a three X three match against Kagura, Mikono and Zessica! Solar Aquarion versus Aquarion Evol!!! Go! Amata-kun, its time to show who's Daddy!!! |
2012-06-05, 06:29 | Link #322 |
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Wasn't Shrade's Vector destroyed, though? They'd need to get another Vector and two pilots from Vega somehow to be able to form Evol. I suppose it's going to happen, simply because it would be really lame if we didn't get an Aquarion showdown.
Poor Amata, I think he'd be happy with not getting his ass kicked or upstaged for once... :/ |
2012-06-05, 06:41 | Link #323 | |
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Yeh, this series ever since Mix's capture went full retard-mode. It's no longer a guilty pleasure or so bad its good... it's just so bad it's painful now. Absolutely nothing makes sense anymore. Will be watching AKB0048 until it stops humoring me (which it is inevitably going to happen), since it's by the same crack production staff - I'm looking at you Kawamori and Okada. |
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2012-06-05, 06:47 | Link #324 | |
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Who won't be... I still hope Amata will do well end the end and have Mikono... |
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2012-06-05, 07:05 | Link #325 |
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I get that this is mostly in fact a retcon, but I still have to appreciate its meta-ness: within the show proper, no one of importance -- aside from, perhaps, Fudo and Rena, and *possibly* Mykage -- actually knew the true story of the events from 24000 years ago; even Kagura, whose ideas come from the movie, isn't actually *that* much worse-informed than the rest of them, really. On the other hand, the audience is now also in the same boat: not even the audience actually knew the true story...and in the same way the characters' talking of hate now seems hubristic, so too does all our speculating and conjecturing (), because we were bold enough to assume we knew the facts.
I'll reserve judgment on the full impact of the twist until after everything's done, but even at this early stage I can't help but admire its meta-ness, and the way it does to the audience what it does to the in-show characters. |
2012-06-05, 09:09 | Link #327 | |
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(This dog reveal would've been fine if they hadn't dragged Genesis into it, but as it is... This is why you don't mess with closed canons, damn it.) |
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2012-06-05, 09:19 | Link #328 | |
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Silvia's characteristics are gone. Mikono is neither warrior or a tsundere tomboy. She is just Mikono. She remembers some parts of Silvia's memories just like how Silvia remembered some parts of Celiane's memories but she is not really Silvia other than the scent. The sad part is Silvia loved Apollo for whoever he was. She ended up not caring in the end. If you take a look back at genesis ep the last one, you can see Celiane's soul trying to reach out to Apollonius in the aquarion. I do wonder if Mikono will be able to love the complete Amagura, cause he is really not Apollonius unless there is some more reveals to be done. Mikono falling in love with Amata is almost like Celiane falling in love with the winged angel Apollonius. I just hope Silvia had kids so didn't waste her life to be trolled in nex life when she became Celiane again. Last edited by mayumi; 2012-06-05 at 09:43. |
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2012-06-05, 09:23 | Link #329 |
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kuromitsu: I'm sure if I'd seen and at least liked the original I'd feel more like you do.
As-is, I just like "You kept talking so much about fate and fighting fate but now you realize you didn't even know what you were talking about" much, much more than I like the previous way the topic of fate had been handled. (FWIW I never liked and never bought into the "fighting fate" paraphrase, and am glad to see it's not that relevant really). |
2012-06-05, 09:46 | Link #330 |
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Actually, it still might be relevant, depending on how they're planning to resolve this situation. (Then again, they've written themselves into a corner with Kagura and Zessica, so...)
As mayumi said above, both Silvia and Apollo ended up disconnecting themselves from their previous lives (despite Silvia spending most of the last episodes speaking both as Celiane and as Silvia). Mikono is not the reincarnation of Silvia, she's the reincarnation of Celiane-who-reincarnated-once-as-Silvia. However regardless of who Silvia and Apollo were the reincarnations of, they were still in love as themselves, and the current reincarnation of Apollo (minus wings that Apollo never had, but anyway) is treating that as destiny (otherwise it wouldn't make sense that Kagura is still calling her Sylphie, the Silvia from the movie). This is why I said that the dog stuff wouldn't really matter in the long run, because it wouldn't change the status quo. Separated, Kagura is still the reincarnation of Apollo whom Celiane-who-reincarnated-once-as-Silvia loved, and Amata is basically a pair of wings from the dog with some hazy stuff lurking in his unconscious. (Somehow.) |
2012-06-05, 09:55 | Link #331 |
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The only way the dog stuff changes the current status quo is confirming in-show what we already guessed -- Amata and Kagura are both Apollo's reincarnation -- and giving Zessica another punch to the gut.
Bigger picture though it really does change the themes and interpretations behind that status quo -- if it didn't do that people wouldn't be upset about what it did to Genesis, no? -- and in a way that more or less completely undermines most of the fate-centric discussion we've had so far. To expand a bit: I doubt the movie thing is even going to turn out to be a negative, now. If there wasn't anything wrong with Silvia and Apollo falling in love due to some misconceptions, it seems unlikely that the show will turn around and say it'd be wrong for Kagura and Mikono to do the same...it's the present-day feelings, etc., that matter, not necessarily how you got there. |
2012-06-05, 10:05 | Link #333 | |
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I meant the status quo in Evol. Btw Amata also being a reincarnation was confirmed when the situation with him and Kagura was revealed, Zessica simply wasn't around to hear it for herself. The nature of the split between Amata and Kagura is what may come into play here, because no matter how we look, Kagura is the one who is similar to Apollo, Amata is a completely different person.
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Not really - Celiane was fully human but this had no effect on her being reincarnated into a half-angel. Maybe the wings on Mikono's boots are a sort of meta memento of Silvia's feathers. |
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2012-06-05, 10:07 | Link #334 |
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kuromitsu: are you quite sure? I mean, I thought running up to that point there was strong *suggestion* that Kagura was Apollo's reincarnation, but only in the form of visions and "wow, he's just like that beast-guy in the visions", so on and so forth.
So the "you're me" confirms that if Kagura's a reincarnation so is Amata, but it wasn't until Zen spilled the beans that there was in-show *confirmation* that Kagura+Amata were *actually* reincarnations...did I forget something? |
2012-06-05, 10:44 | Link #335 |
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The problem I still have with the dog thing is that it kinda makes Amata's character even weaker. In episode 22 he said that he loves Mikono for her. Not because of all this reincarnation crap, but the dog thing just makes that meaningless because he loves her because it's fated, not because of his own free will and affection for her, which makes his whole quest to fight fate pointless.
One of things I liked about his character was that he was willing to go to the wall for Mikono, even though she hasn't really shown why she's worth it. It showed that he was willing to go that far out of his own affection, but with this new revelation it just makes him look a over dependent dog. |
2012-06-05, 10:56 | Link #336 | |
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OMG I love Mikono for herself, I could have bought it if Amata didn't suffer from a blatant case of love at first time with zero development past the first episode... I fear and expect there is a troll hidden here. I think his feelings aren't much guenuine than his foe Kagura. Just remember Fudou's contempt at their little pityful fight. EDIT : In episode 5, it was alright to pull corny line about their being fated. Anything that serve his cause. |
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2012-06-05, 11:04 | Link #337 | |
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While he did get his ass kicked by Kagura twice for her and did put his life on the line for her his romantic attraction to her felt shallow. Love at first sight indeed. |
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2012-06-05, 11:18 | Link #338 | ||
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In the case of EVOL, you have the opposite going on because (1.) Pollon never finished his story, dying to save the world, (2.) Celianne clinging to the cycles for an apology, and (3.) the promise from 12,000 years ago. Amata (the whole, or either part) and Mikono are following the steps that fate laid out, but no matter how you cut it, there is a stark difference between the case of Pollon -> Celianne/Apollonius, and Amagura/Mikono. The issue stands, of course, that as its set with Amata AND Kagura existing simultaneously, you could end up with a situation where you have a conclusion that satisfies fate and one that defies it, sending a very strange message. (Especially with the Touma background example of why clinging onto the past is a bad idea.) Quote:
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2012-06-05, 12:01 | Link #340 | |
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Please tell me where Zessica said that Amata should love Mikono regardless of Mikono being reincarnated and destined for someone else. No, really, do please tell me. Because this is what Amata said, but hey, this doesn't show him in a bad light so let's twist everyone's words to make a case against Amata. . What Zessica actually said was that Kagura and Mikono were reincarnations of Apollon and Sylphie and such destined to be together, nothing more, nothing less. >Vena In ep 5 Amata could get away from Kagura using his wings because Kagura didn't use his power. The Detachment Wings worked once, but we never learned if they would've worked a second time because Cayenne intervened and shot Kagura. And the Wings of Glory didn't fail as much as Kagura needed to take Mikono away for plot reasons and kicking Amata's ass again was the only way to do it. (If it was important that it failed we would've gotten a longer scene of it failing, instead of just a scene with Amata and Mikono getting up on that roof, presumably after having fell down.) |
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