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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei
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The biggest issue that hasn't been addressed is the time period involved. We've used calendar years in the past, which has proven problematic when considering two-cour shows that premiere in the fall. Some have suggested starting with the fall and extending through the next summer, following the US model of a television year. I had a discussion about anime "seasons" over on ANN not long ago, and one contributor thought that it made more sense to follow the Japanese school year which begins in the spring. That would mean waiting until April to begin the "2011" Awards process. For this transition year, we'd need to include shows that were released over the 15-month period starting on 1/1/2011 and ending on 3/31/2012. After that we'd just run from April to April.
Here are some data for your consideration:
These are taken from AniDB ( 2010 data), including only non-hentai television series with "synonyms" excluded. I re-counted April, 2011, three times to convince myself there were really fifty new series released that month. April to April makes quite a bit of sense given these data. |
To be honest i don't see any problem with the current format of fall shows being pushed to next year if they don't end this year. I mean it usually means the exact number of episodes aired the next year as they did this year so there's no real way of solving the issue of whether it counts as a this year show or a next year show. We could go by a completely different concept of year but then...what about those that air in Janruary but don't finish until June? What about shows that start in Janruary and end in Apirl before the awards? This alternative method just sounds like an alternative method that's no better or worse, imo.
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Originally Posted by Reckoner
First of all I'm not sure why there is a slice of life category. No one even agrees on what that term even means so why not just combine it with the drama category? I also think romance should be combined with the drama category, but that's just me.
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There were more options to the poll (a lot more actually) but we had to trim it down because we thought it might be a bit too much and I could only put up ten anyway. We had a debate about combining Slice of Life with Drama and I was all up for it but the contention was that some consider Slice of Life and Drama to be completely opposite things. They say that one of the things that makes SoL a SoL is it's noticable
lack of drama.
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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei
Well, let's take the obvious contender for big winner in this year's Awards, Madoka Magica. How many genre categories should that qualify for?
-{A1}- [Action/Adventure] - maybe
-{A2}- [Fantasy] - yes
-{A3}- [Sci-Fi] - maybe
-{A4}- [Mystery/Horror] - yes
-{A5}- [Comedy] - no
-{A6}- [Drama/Tragedy] - yes
-{A7}- [Romance] - no (yuri shippers be damned)
-{A8}- [Slice of Life] - no
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe] - maybe
-{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby] - no
Many "mystery/horror" shows can also be regarded as "fantasies" as well as "dramas," and it's not hard to conceive of many of them falling into "action/adventure" as well.
One solution to this is to impose genre categories before the nominating process by executive fiat. We'd provide the list of eligible shows categorized by genres. That still lets people nominate their favorites, but would provide more structure than we have now. As for who should exert this fiat, perhaps the moderators, or maybe Haak himself since he seems up for the task of carrying this on.
If that smacks too much of fascism, then I submit that my original suggestion of one genre nomination per show provides a democratic method with reasonable structure. Two is the absolute upper limit in my mind.
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There's only two ways this can work.
1) The guys that run the Awards assign each show that aired in 2011 a genre
Problems:
- Will take forever doing it manually. This is what we had last year:
Now just imagine trying to assign one genre to every single one.
- The genre assigned might be different from what the community thinks. (there are even differences on what a genre actually means)
2) The voters decide and can only nominate a show for one/two genres.
Problems:
- This could lead to split voter bases where some voters vote for an anime in one genre and and other voters vote for the same anime in another genre. This could to an anime that could be seen in a lot of genres, not win a single category becuase the voters are too split on what it actually is.
- Much frothing and rage between voters and possible long winded wall of text arguments on what genre an anime counts under which all inevitably leads to nowhere except perhaps a lot of neg reps and infractions.
There's probably something I haven't seen here, but as far as I can see it just leads to more problems than it solves. It's not like I'm not against the concept. Maybe there should be some restrictions and I can see why. I just don't see any system being put in place that's neither too fascist nor gives other shows unfair advantages/disadvantages.
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Originally Posted by Triple_R
Totally agree with you on this. And like yourself, I'll be leaning more towards moe, making me a biased voter as well. Meanwhile, others will be leaning more towards ecchi. It will show real fault-lines in the anime fandom, as you wrote, and I'm not sure if pitting moe fans against ecchi fans is in Anime Suki's best interest.
Moe and ecchi are two very different things, just as different as K-On!! is from Kampfer (which is a pretty big difference, imo). There's some overlap between ecchi and moe, but honestly, there's plenty of moe shows with little to no ecchi in it.
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Hmmm...I never actually considered this. But the only other options are to have no Moe category (which imo doesn't really make sense if we have a Fanservice category) or to have seperate categories (and there was already a bit of backlash in having a Fanservice category in the first place)
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