2010-07-06, 12:19 | Link #1742 |
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no not since 2008 although I did hear a RUMOR that said they was going to make it after the Gundam 00 movie. I think the writer said that she was finished with the plot. Oh I found the news link here
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ra-gundam-seed
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2010-07-06, 13:56 | Link #1743 | |
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2010-08-10, 02:59 | Link #1746 |
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That's... an interesting way to put it
Regarding the movie, I'm not sure if I ever want to see it come into existence. One can always hope for the best, of course, but after GSD... As for the topic - why GSD failed - I think one can sum it up in a simple way: someone messed it up/screwed things up. Parshaara... |
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Based on what I've read, Destiny was only given a year-long production cycle, and that SEED wasn't designed with a sequel in mind, but after the series' successful DVD sales, Destiny was greenlit.
Zeta Gundam was produced six years after MSG, and ZZ Gundam directly followed Zeta.
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Hmm, I heard about that. Don't get why though, we managed to leave GW on quite good terms, so I don't get why... . As mentioned though, I think I can leave without any news on the GSD movie ever being made . Though I confess I'd be torn between wanting to see how they'd resolve certain issuses and not wanting to... |
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2010-08-10, 15:00 | Link #1752 | |
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huh what are you talking bout? gundam wing movie! I hope its true where did you see this? And I don't like seed or destiny, but I would like to see the movie for some odd reason.... They need to do an g gundam movie that'll be EPIC. getting off topic here...... |
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2010-08-10, 19:22 | Link #1756 |
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Something I really loved in Destiny was how Rey was totally immune to mind-rape of any sort, and he was the one that pulled Shinn out of his stupor a couple of times (Asran's escape, 2nd Battle of Orb come to mind), he never criticized Gil even when he used Requiem against the Moon. He was Gil's most devout follower, and yet in the span of one episode he gets mind raped by Kira with the simplest of lines, and ends up shooting Gil as a result. I wondered, what the frack happened to "gil is always right, and that's all I care about"?
Oh and can't forget Meyrin. "Onee-sama, why are you still fighting?! Can't you tell who the real Lacus-sama is?!" sigh. It's not like Luna is soldier and has to obey orders or anything ...>_>. nope, she has to obey Lacus-sama! Speaking of Luna, you have to love how she falls in love with Shinn instantly after the guy killed her sister. Never mind that Meyrin helped Asuran escape willingly, and Shinn was justified in shooting them down, nobody in their right mind would consider Shinn a friend, much less fall in love with him. That is just totally fucked up. The whole series can be summed up with irrational things like this, you know, things that are thrown at you out of left field and make little sense.
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2010-08-11, 06:48 | Link #1757 | |
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Though it perhaps had some hiccups and plentiful cases of poor management of a Gundam series, the series at least gave us wonderful mechas and a sufficient series to spend our time on, rather than spending it on work and other priorities. Unless you say you can produce the show better, you can criticize but please understand the virtue of a nuanced argument. |
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2010-08-12, 10:08 | Link #1758 |
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My view is that GSD was not failed hard (being great at the sales of toys and media
proves it), but Fukada & Morisawa were. Was GSD commercially success ? Yes. However, were we satisfied with GSD ? Pretty much no and the discussions and various controversies runs forever and did not learn to decline. If the show was even satisfying, how is it possible to keep the heat among the fans, for so long ? If GSD gave (more) satisfactions, I guess this thread would have been forgot at 2007, already. JOKING: I suggest the bans of any GS/GSD discussions when such = riduculously long analyses/ flamewars/ plot guides/ speculations/ character/creator trolls + a very long on-going thread. Should we ? I think the reason for so many talks for GSD is that the show - with an above-average quality - (unintentionally) under-satisfies the fans, resulting in controversies. BTW, many people will agree that Gundam 00 is being satisfied. However, it is a show which let us forget and go soon, too. I can foresee that the hype of 00/Unicorn will be largely tuned down by 2011. I don't think Fukada & Morisawa were doing this all by intention. Perhaps intentional for the Durandal incidents, the twisted development of Shin, and the Destiny Plan to make some heats, but if we are still hot at GSD, how the hell can they make GS3 popular? A typical anime director (especially Tomino) always tries to make the life span short enough, so the fans will get bored eventually and return for the next season. (Of course, my assumptions. Maybe F & M are some mad scienists.) We know that Fukada is notorious for continuing his titles. For each season in Cyber Formula, he was able to find a way to end it nicely. For GSD, he wasn't, and it was his failure. Would Fukada kill main characters like Athuran/ Kira ? I am very certain that he wouldn't - unless the character was assigned as some sort of director in the White House (like Kal Penn), and he would be quite inconvenient for an appearance in Japan. Would it be better if Kira returned not that earlier? I think it does not matter, I am pretty sure that he will not be killed. Will it be better if Kira was late and the AA bridge got blowed ? I think YES! Definitely! - so the useless interactions with Marrau/ Milliaria/ Warfield/ etc (and even better, Muller) could be skipped, and they can use the spare time for more useful stuffs. It seems to be a bad habit of Fukada that he was unable to let minor characters go/ stay where we couldn't see them (the same potential problem of the Nanoha series - it comes to me head after seeing Subaru many times in this thread. ) Did GSD deliver everything Fukada wanted to present ? I think: partially. It is well done for the Dullandal plans, but not for all the others (The Lacus clan, the mysterious Terminal section, and tons of missed interactions.) About the character development ? Partially. Quite clear for the Dullandal side (with Shin/ Rey/ etc), very bad for Lacus clan, too. And I could smell a lot of mis-developments for many of them.... I think I have a hard time understanding the thoughts of Bandai/ Sunrise. If says Bandai values money, why shouldn't they bring GS (which is a certain goldmine) back with all their efforts ? If money is the primary interest, there is always a way to put everyone together, even for obvious enemies (like Athrun and Lacus; during my watching of the shows I thought that they are actually not going well at all.) Is Bandai just all for money ? Or they have some principles in their mind, such that they will not dig an obvious goldmine ? Or is that just Fukada/ Morisawa's stupid insisting to the way they do the animes ? Could they even surpass Tomino WRT this ? (Tomino was very resistant for Gundam stories beyond UC 0093, but Bandai/ Sunrise still managed to make him do some.) Did GSD take reference from Zeta Gundam ? No doubts, despite of all the denials. It is pretty true that Fukada failed to do what had been done right in Zeta Gundam. So, if Fukada did what Tomino did - tuning down Amuro (Kira) and put more developments to Chars (Cagalli), could that eventually make the mouths of most of us shutted ? I found that in many scenes, replacing Kira/ Muller with Cagalli would make more sense, which makes me believe that those scenes were prepared so - for some reasons. A rumour was that there were creative differences between Morisawa (the series creator) and the creative staff. (And in general, in another rumour, Fukada was interviewed and expressed that "making GS is an uneasy job because the interests from basically everyone in the team were heavily conflicting with the others.") Assumed that it was true, and suddenly they managed to put in the same page, would we get a better, a totally different experience? If they re-touch GS+GSD as OVAs (like Rebuild of Evangelion), and Morisawa prepares the scripts without external helps (like she was doing in Cyber Formula), will Gundam Seed more satisfying ? Perhaps it is not something that I can speculate. BTW, I think Shin did have a character development during the show - from a raging young man seeking for revenge, to a nicer, less angried, more resemble to his original self. I guess we can't change more than that when Shin is basically a brat anyway. |
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Still, while you may be right that the hype of Unicorn/Seed will be toned down... They will still, I'd say, be remembered as "good" Gundam series for people - they were satisfying and thus people'll be able to leave them behind while going onwards to new series. Not quite so with Seed, I'd say. Unless the movie or a third series can make people view Destiny in a different light, it's doomed to forever be a series that will be remembered as a failure by most of the fans and something that'll be eternally discussed and critized in forums all over... Though this may not be a bad thing in it's own way. |
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2010-08-12, 13:09 | Link #1760 |
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Well, in Japan I doubt that Destiny is a failure, failure. Of course I don't live in Japan so I can't say for sure.
Conspiracy Theory: Bandai /Sunrise had an evil plan to make Destiny bad in order so that it will keep SEED alive and although hated remembered by everybody. As I see it, 00 is popular for now but it doesn't really have a lasting memory type(more merchandise, sequels,etc) and eventually will be thought of as just another Gundam series. The problem with 00 is that satisfied too many people too much and there's nothing left to look forward to after the movie. For me, I can't really see something after the movie and if they did it would seem like a drag. Similar to Wing. Destiny on the other hand, due to its supposed level of fail to "fans" will live on as something to be talked on for even longer because immense hate for a series actually creates even greater interest and when the time is right, Bandai/Sunrise will unveil an extremely good CE show and so everybody will flock to it and everybody will love and watch it and it will become extremely popular. Reason being, everybody who loves CE will of course watch it and even those who hate CE will watch because 1) It's Gundam and 2) They're curious to see if it's better than Destiny. Therefore the greatest popularity stunt pulled off by Bandai/Sunrise and they reap in even more money. The greatest trick ever. And of course, I'm sure Kira Yamato will be there somewhere with newtype god powers and super psycho-frame if one follows the trend of CE. Therefore the publicity for CE will grow even more as both Kira lovers and haters fight over the internet, thus creating even more popularity for CE. BOTTOM LINE: As of now, three Gundam timelines/series are still truly active, UC, 00, and CE. Wing is barely with just a novel and manga or whatever. (I hate that they want to continue Wing after that ending saying "And Mobile Suits were never Seen Again, Including the Gundams." That should end Wing forever) CE is still alive partially due to the hate. Yes, you CE haters are actually keeping CE alive. With your forums and comments about CE hate, you actually allow CE to live. How does that make you feel? |
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