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if that bill is passed then the multibillion dollar Japan Ink (anime/manga etc etc) will be damaged beyond recognition. |
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2010-03-16, 01:48 | Link #6565 | |
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As you may have noticed, there's not a single current Jump manga artist on that list.
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2010-03-16, 09:09 | Link #6566 | ||
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Mikan the brocon and Yami who hates slimy rubbing things. Who else?
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Transferring cargo from wagon to wagon would be pretty much of a hassle, especially for bulk raw material, and changing boggies is time consuming. There is still the variable gauge option, but I don't know if it's applicable to all kind of wagons. A unified energy grid is already less an issue, as it takes way less time to change a locomotive than to transfer a whole train cargo. It seems they first want to create a new route trough Central Asia (work along with Kazakhstan actually started a few years ago), I think they see it as pretty vital to disenclave the whole Central Asia as well as their own Western Provinces. Also, concerning gauge harmonization, bear in mind that all that matters is political will, as rolling material is much less of an issue (especially since many of those countries have obsolete fleets to be replaced), and can be managed in the mid to long-term. Modernising and adapting tracks for higher speeds involve at least replacing them, so changing the gauge in the same time is hardly a problem. Quote:
And remember that they aim for speed high enough to compete with air travel. A London-Beijing station to station 48h trip sure is an ambitious goal, but if fulfilled would be more than competitive with air (since those are hampered by high costs, and considerable time spent in airports, as well as transfer to airports), with a fraction of the cost and much larger capacity.
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2010-03-16, 13:26 | Link #6568 |
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Excuse me. Just hold the phone a minute. By what definition are we using to mark China as "the worlds largest economy"?
The United States is still over three times the size of the Chinese economy. And with the European Union becoming more economically unified, eventually you'll have to start treating them more like a single economic bloc. Even Japan with but a tiny fraction of China's population still had a greater GDP, It seems rather oblivious to characterize China as the largest economy in the world. |
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That China wants access to natural resources is logical. But the cost to get them... well... lets see. Quote:
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And quite difficult, doing it wrong ruins the center pivot on the center plate, which makes the bogie useless. Quote:
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What I basically wanted to emphasize is... the RZhD does not even see the need to unify the electric grid, which would be far easier then unifying the gauge. Quote:
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From a ecological point of view it would make a lot of sense however. Which is why I would like to see this project come true. But I will stay realistic... I wait and see... there are many odds against it.
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2010-03-16, 14:16 | Link #6570 | |
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2010-03-16, 14:46 | Link #6571 |
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http://www.unitethemarbles.org/petition/?page_id=10
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2010-03-16, 15:16 | Link #6572 | |
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European Union:$4.14659 trillion United States:$3.1394 trillion China:$2.312388 trillion China is definitely a major industrial heavy weight, but they can't just yet go about claiming to be the most economically powerful country in the world based on their industrial power. They still got a bit of growing to do that. The question is will China be able to keep growing at it's current rate, despite all the problems churning in the dragons belly. Having grown up through both the dot bomb AND the current housing crisis on wall street, I'm very skeptical of any projection that forecasts infinite growth. |
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Plus their railways with the Transsiberian qualified as an object of national pride, and anyway there weren't modernization credits available until relatively recently. And let's not forget that their railway system is a part of their defense system as well. Quote:
Consider that the facilities you talk about are far from negligible (in the aforementioned article, they even had to displace it due to lack of space). That amount to build a rather large commercial harbor facility at each border, with subsequent construction and operating costs, as well as a loss of time. Now, as both parties were eager to trade and cooperate, and building new tracks and modernizing old ones was necessary, I suppose it was better to do it in standard gauge and get rid of the land harbor. Also, connection from Kazakhstan to Iran via Turkmenistan is underway (see related links), which, as well as Turkey, are modernizing their railways for high speed on interconnected lines, the future Bosphorus Tunnel connecting them further to the European rail network. Quote:
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Less profitable tributary regional lines don't have such needs: look at the different standards in Japan, or even the modern diesel French TER. Quote:
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And actually, modernizing the Trans-Siberian would more easy if not cheaper than our costly and complex AlpTransit base tunnels (German Wiki page is more complete). Quote:
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Notice that HSR passenger lines are presently the most profitable ones (even the the Amtrak Acela), and that in Europe, private companies are on their way of challenging former public monopolies. Quote:
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I am not going to argue with you about the other stuff. Since most of it is subjective in terms of such words as "such a scale", "little benefits", "large concerns", "relatively recently", "modernize and convert the lines to standard gauge" (which is not exactly HSR, and not exactly the vast railway network of Russia), "Not that much", "several countries" (imo which turns out to be very few), "I suppose", "all their new lines use" (thats how much in comparison to the whole network?), "multilateral program" (as if that was an actual advantage ), "all desiring efficient connections" (efficient doesn't have to mean HSR), "presently the most profitable ones" (not for the passenger - at least not in Germany), "are on their way" (lets see if they reach somewhere, somewhen)
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2010-03-16, 18:26 | Link #6575 |
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While you're mistaken in China being the world's largest economy, if they do collapse it would be a disaster. The US economy is still struggling to recover and Europe isn't in great shape. Right now China is what's keeping the world's economy afloat. If they crash before the US and Europe recover enough to absorb the impact, we're not looking at another recession, we're looking at Great Depression 2.0.
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2010-03-17, 02:27 | Link #6576 | |
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2010-03-17, 05:00 | Link #6577 | ||
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High speed passenger and fast freight high load trains need very similar modernizations to be implemented on a century old network: electrification, welded rails, concrete sleepers. Building or keeping jointed rails on timber sleepers without any plan for electrification, would be nothing but nonsense if you expect an intense traffic corresponding to modern economy trade flows. Technology isn't that much of an issue, for modern rail tracks are present in the Alps and Pyrennée. And I believe the Chinese acquired quite some experience on the Lhasa line; while the latter is not high speed, due to the limitations of high altitude, sinuous tracks, and it's function being only to connect a marginal dead-end population basin with the rest of China), it still is an extensive modern track built on one of the most harsh environment existing on Earth. Now compare it with a line laid on mostly flat central Asian steppes, connecting on both ends the two largest economic and population basins in the World. With all the other large population basins with blooming economies on the way (South East Asian Peninsula, India, Pakistan), do you seriously think it will not see (and thus require) high traffic? Quote:
-Trans-Kazakhstan, standard line work started in 2004 -with Turkmenistan, -to Iran, which is modernizing it's network, with HSR being implemented on the corridor, conversely, it is also linking with the Gulf (Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia), and Pakistan (the latter of which has agreed to convert to the Standard gauge, talking also with... China), and it is already linked with -Turkey, which is already implementing HSR trough their whole territory, building of the Bosphorus Tunnel is also already underway, connecting with -Continental Europe, where it can connect with Greece and the different Orient Express lines; along it HSR is being implemented in Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, and Slovenia, all the way to Italy, Austria and the rest of the network. Those are already being built, the figure rising to more than a dozen countries if you add India, Burma, Vietnam and Malaysia. Efficient nowadays does involve Fast and Intense traffic, as old existing lines are most if not all at over capacity levels, and the figure will rise as economies bloom in this part of the World, which is rich in natural resources and hordes of educated young peoples. The need for capacity is such that in several areas, more than two lines of tracks are laid: new modern lines being built next to modernized old ones. Also, note that in building a railway, the costs generally range in the following manner: Tunnels >> Bridges >> High Rise >> Ballast >> Electrification >> Rails. Hence the benefits of adapting existing lines, even century old ones, which with modifications and appropriate train technologies can accommodate speeds above 200 km/h. Of course if you want to go above 300 km/h per hour, you'd better build new tracks, but guess what, that's already what they are doing. The whole railway network has already been under construction for years; what China has made was essentially a commitment to raise the standard on the whole length of it, together with their connection with the South East Asian Peninsula and with projects for multiple corridors (India, Russia). Actually, they pretty much announced that they were taking in hand and upgrading the 50 years old Trans-Asian Railways program of the UN (see map for the whole network).
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2010-03-17, 08:56 | Link #6578 |
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If you think about it, globalization probably occurred maybe two centuries too early. i mean most countries at the time hadn't even settled their current domestic issues, such as civil rights for african americans in America, but then again after wwII and the start of the cold war it was inevitable that globalization would occur, for better or for worse.
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2010-03-17, 13:08 | Link #6580 | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fe...FB%C3%B6gl.jpg Which is a little more expensive and needed, because in contrast to middle european climate, the tracks in central asia have to compensate temperature differences of over 100°C (-40°C winter to 80+°C summer). At 60°C there is a force of 1500 kN (reference temperature would be 20°C). Since HSR relies very much on highly accurate track, it must be build like in the picture (basically full concrete with rails) - especially when the temperature differences are expected to be very high (typical for continental desserts/steppes). Quote:
If I am not mistaken none of these countries except China build such tracks yet?
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