[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 8 Twilight of the golden witch

[witchfan]

Well, he did destroy the box, I think. It's just, he snatched away most of the stuff that was in the box, and left us with an odd mess.

[Klashikari]

I can't tell how (un)popular Bern is in Japan, considering it has been ages I didn't check the polls. I was mostly referring to the english speaking community, considering the numerous negative comments regarding her.

I personally see her role as one among many, not really an "antagonist" to be fairly honest. In fact, being one of the "good" or "bad" guy isn't even accurate for her. Just I can say is that she is one of the most interesting characters in the franchise to me.

Oh and she (or rather Ryukishi) pulled a very meany and teasing comment:
さよなら、みんな。 また何かの、なく頃に。

[Iromaru]

Originally Posted by Sherringford

If you aren't... .Then you'll probably enjoy it much more than I did.

I think meta/fantasy fans will hate the ending even more. Not the episode itself, but the ending.

Anyways, it's getting really terrible reviews on EGS so far.

[Sherringford]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

I can't tell how (un)popular Bern is in Japan, considering it has been ages I didn't check the polls. I was mostly referring to the english speaking community, considering the numerous comments regarding her.

I personally see her role as one among many, not really an "antagonist" to be fairly honest. In fact, being one of the "good" or "bad" guy isn't even accurate for her. Just I can say is that she is one of the most interesting characters in the franchise to me.

Oh and she (or rather Ryukishi) pulled a very meany and teasing comment:
さよなら、みんな。 また何かの、なく頃に。

I think the English fandom always found her to be one of those "love to hate" characters though. She is a villain, she is supposed to make you hate her. And god damn it she did it well.

I consider her "evil bastard whose interests sometimes overlap with mine."

[TsundereCake]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Oh and she (or rather Ryukishi) pulled a very meany and teasing comment:
さよなら、みんな。 また何かの、なく頃に。

"Goodbye everyone. Until when, something else, cries" - pulled out the best of my amateur moonspeak skills for that one.

[witchfan]

Bern is an epic troll. She's also a nice throwback to Higurashi (whatever I may end up thinking of Umineko, Higurashi is one of my favourite series...). I don't know how anyone could hate her, myself.

[Renall]

I can't stand her. Never could. It's not her in the sense of anything specifically she does, it's just I tire quickly of characters like her. That she was allowed to basically just do whatever she wanted for ages before anybody smacked her down only aggravated that.

[witchfan]

We need a post-EP8 character poll. My most hated characters would have to be Rosa, followed by Maria.

[rogerpepitone]

I feel like I've been playing Mao for a while. I can't figure out the rules, and the dealer keeps insisting that they're consistent, and lightly chides me for not trying hard enough to figure them out. Even things like who plays next seems to skip around randomly. My trust for the dealer is sinking continually, and I'm wondering whether we're actually playing something more like Fizbin. I finally push the dealer to give the full rules. Is it spoonfeeding to do so?

(If the rules are things like "Whenever a three is played, order of play reverses. Whenever a seven is played, skip one player.", and the dealer has been playing by those rules consistently, it might be, even though those can be real tough to understand with three players. If they are "Whenever a red car passes, order of play reverses. Whenever somebody plays the three of clubs when the six of spades is in the discard pile, skip a player.", then it probably isn't. And if there weren't a consistent set of rules, absolutely not.)

Ryu has been continually focusing on the questions of what exactly happened on Oct 4th and
5th. How Ange moves on after that has been a B plot at best.

I care very much about the resolution of the A plot (the events of Oct 4-5). I don't much care about the resolution of the B plot.

[Klashikari]

Let's stop drop the "no so liked characters" subject, shall we? It has really nothing to do with Episode 8.

Anyway, as far as I can recollect everything, there is one thing that "bothers" me:

Spoiler for Trick End:

Trick end definitely nudges the "gloomiest" theory for Episode 4. I didn't really want to believe that, but the possibility that Amakuza would still carry out the plan Okonogi has set wasn't 0.

That being said, the reason why I'm bothered is the fact that Okonogi still got everything on a silver plate in the Magic ending...
Unless... well, that's perhaps what Ryukishi was trying to do, but I guess trick end was basically an attempt to show "what happens if Ange moves on, but in a nihilist way?".
That basically negate the "love" matter, which triggers her suspicions that she was being used for a huge ploy.

I dunno, Amakuza's reaction wasn't a complete confirmation of that theory: he certainly got bewildered, but was it because he was really seen through, or if it was because he feared Ange would make a very quick conclusion and take measure?
I personally wouldn't like to have 2 possibility that are basically the 2 faces of a coin, but I can't help but think there is something wrong:

I still can't imagine Amakuza and Okonogi being left "free" like this in the Magic End (the good one), if the trick ending shows they are basically villainous. That would be the same result than Ange's conclusion towards Eva "without love".

But... what about this fire arm Amakusa has brought? Not only it was the sniper rifle, but that old gun as well, that matches the kind of weaponry the sudamera had... oh well...

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

Ryu has been continually focusing on the questions of what exactly happened on Oct 4th and
5th. How Ange moves on after that has been a B plot at best.

Except the A side progressively evolved in the chiru episodes, which was even more blatant with Battler's change of heart.
He certainly didn't try to go completely astray with Episode 7, but he definitely try to put shape into "something else than simply finding the truth".

[lambdabern]

By the way since featherine returns in ep 8 is she really as monstrous as bern said she was in ep6??

[Klashikari]

Featherine is probably the most -broken- witch ever.
You learn in Episode 8 that she is one of those of the Creator category.

You will understand once you see how she basically turn Lambda into nothing, and I -mean it-.
Bern is definitely serious when she says that Featherine is a monster. I don't think anyone in uminekoverse would like to see her even angry.

If I were to compare with something from Tsukihime, it would be like the difference between 100% Arcueid and a regular human, or in Fate Stay Night: difference in mana between Shirou and Angra Manyu Sakura.

[Sherringford]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Except the A side progressively evolved in the chiru episodes, which was even more blatant with Battler's change of heart.
He certainly didn't try to go completely astray with Episode 7, but he definitely try to put shape into "something else than simply finding the truth".

Problem being that one episode of setting it up<an entire series.

Sure episode 7 set us up for Ange's life. But the entire series set us up for Beatrice's tale, and Ryu just ignored it in favor of Ange.

Say what you will, but I find that to be terrible writing.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Let's stop drop the "no so liked characters" subject, shall we? It has really nothing to do with Episode 8.

Aren't the episode threads for discussion, review, impressions, and opinion? How does discussing whether you like/dislike a character with respect to their actions taken in ep8 (and earlier, to establish context) have nothing to do with ep8?

[Iromaru]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Featherine is probably the most -broken- witch ever.
You learn in Episode 8 that she is one of those of the Creator category.

She's basically Ryu's self insert. I seriously hate her.

The weird thing is: It's 99% certain Bern's letter was written to Featherine, but that Featherine was completely different than the one we know. First of all Bern really liked her. In that context their meeting from EP6 ???? makes no sense. Unless they were lying, or rather acting it out for Battler.

I'm preparing for crazy trolling in Rei.

[Klashikari]

It wasn't aimed at you Renall. I was talking about the potential shift of the discussion, as witchfan was talking about Rosa and Maria, whereas there was nothing about them in Ep8.

I see no reason to prevent people talking about characters in the said episode, that's the very purpose of the thread. However, discussions akin to "poll" shouldn't take place here. I will sort out this matter when I have the time.

[AuraTwilight]

The weird thing is: It's 99% certain Bern's letter was written to Featherine, but that Featherine was completely different than the one we know. First of all Bern really liked her. In that context their meeting from EP6 ???? makes no sense. Unless they were lying, or rather acting it out for Battler.

Who says Bern liked whoever she was writing the letter to. She's very prone to sarcastically speaking well of people in patronizing ways until they piss her off.

[luckyssol]

Spoiler for Episode 8:

Dlanor: “...I SEE. The personification of the message BOTTLES?”
Battler: “Message bottles? Beato’s?”
Will: “No. They are the fragment of the future inhabitants’ delusions.”




“The truth of the past is inferior to the truth of the future.
The jaw and fangs of those goat's ruthless future will not accept our truth.
They invade by means of ‘The truth that we expect’.”




Dlanor: “MAGNIFICENT.”
Will: “The next is yielded.”






Will: “If you say it’s not a ‘Fanjita’ then let’s hear your reasoning.”
Dlanor: “I’m really looking forward to everyone’s OPINIONS.”

So if you think it’s not a fanjita then you have to make a theory to back your reasoning.

I’m loving episode 8 so far.

[AuraTwilight]

I want to know what was being talked about in that first screenshot. Who are they saying is a "personification of the message bottles"?

[luckyssol]

I think they are us.