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Mutual security treaty as a deterrent has been working since 1945 and making assumptions of anything happening after being attacked is meaningless until some nation actually calls that bluff. That is why I called your reasoning oxymoron. |
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2008-11-23, 03:32 | Link #63 | ||
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But I wouldn't bet any country's ultimate survival on a mutual defence treaty. First rule of thumb in maintaining national sovereignty: You don't own what you can't defend. In most cases, I would expect the US to honour its defence agreements with Japan, should it be attacked. But Japan would be foolish to trust completely in such arrangements. That's why the JSDF is already a formidable force in its own right, prevented only by Japan's constitution from growing even more powerful. Quote:
Suppose the conspiracy theories are true, who would China invade at this point? It makes more money out of working with its neighbours than fighting costly wars against them at the moment, so why fight? So, like the rest of East Asia, cross-border war is highly unlikely unless someone goes nuts and instigates one. |
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2008-11-23, 07:01 | Link #64 | |
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The juggling act of maintaining Japan's national security with regional diplomacy is based on three components; 1. Article 9 2. Mutual security pack with the US 3.JSDF These three cannot function properly without one another. JSDF without article 9 may become the main point of foreign criticism especially a likely target by PRC and/or Korea and will offset diplomatic relationship. Article 9 without backing of the US military will become worthless words which will create fear within the Japanese public. JSDF without the US mutual security will again result in developing a stronger defence force by public demand that may jeopardize the existance of article 9. I never said Japan's future relies on the mutual security pack alone and am not underestimating (nor overly confident) the JSDF. After all the JSDF is counted within the top 5 military forces of non-nuclear armament of the world. |
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Hopefully, the new administration will mean more meat to the mutual security treaty between the US and Japan. But seriously.... I'd have not placed bets on the US stepping up quickly to an active threat to Japan under Bush (or McCain) if only because we've done so much damage to our military and stretched it so thin.
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2008-11-24, 00:00 | Link #67 | |
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^ Sounds like a baseless personal opinion to me. Do you have any facts to back your assertion?
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1) Defend the integrity of the motherland. In China's case, that means no negotiation over Taiwan's status as part of the mainland. It still wants to work towards a "one country, two systems" solution, which the Taiwanese are understandably not keen about, having seen how it really works in Hong Kong. 2) Maintain buffer zones at borders. So long as the Central Asian states are militarily weak, China doesn't have much to worry about from that region, and wouldn't bother invading any further. It already controls Xinjiang and Tibet after all, and cultivates a convenient, if sometimes embarrassing, ally in North Korea. Ultimately, any war potential China develops will be to meet the above two objectives. Pursuing an aggressive war of expansion is silly in the extreme, not when the benefits of economic co-operation far outweighs any potential gains from war. It already has 1.3 billion people to feed and clothe. Why would China want to add to that burden? |
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People give politicians too much credit. If they were so good at planning ahead, the world wouldn't be going through crisis after crisis. Last edited by Lathdrinor; 2008-11-24 at 00:49. |
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2008-11-24, 05:25 | Link #70 | |
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It's called Realpolitik. You deal with what you have. That's the normal way of politics. (Unless you have a population as packed, and as small as Singapore -apparently the 2nd most packed SOVEREIGN nation after Monaco)
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Without the help of the slumping economy in America, Obama may not have elected. If the economy was good in America, the Democrats would had most likely lost the elections. Obama's landslide victory was greatly dependent on the hope that people had for the future of America's economy, a possible revival. Aside from that, the Republicans were advocating the need to continue the Iraq War, which was seen by many Americans are the key issue relating to the slumping economy. In Japan, the economy is also pretty bad right now, the Nikkei-225 is current under the 8000-level. For a period of several months, the seat of the BOJ governor was empty, because the ruling coalition and the largest opposition party were playing political football. That actually put a toll on the economy in the long-run, but also due to those actions, the dovish Fukuda Administration came to an end enabling a firmer stance towards the incooperative North Korea now. Currently, the popularity rate between the Aso Cabinet and the opposition forces can be seen as a tie, even though the DPJ had a higher approval rating during the Fukuda Administration. In Russia, the most hard-hitted economy, if chosen to ignore the cries of its Russian citizens in South Ossetia would not have been impacted by growing recession fears. When Russia made the choice to escalate the Russo-Georgian military conflict, they had probably chosen to give up part of their economy as an exchange to maintain the strong belief of its citizens towards their government's ability to support and protect them. Generally, many of the crisis that the world is currently facing are prevent-able, yet politicians chose not to do so for whatever reason they may have. It is not that people are giving too much credit to politicians, but rather to say... One thing is for sure, politicians cannot be trusted. For their ideals and objectives, the people in the world suffer crisis after crisis. Edit: As to why I am using US, Russia, and Japan as examples. Well, Japan is officially a part of East Asia, which is on-topic. As for the US, Hawaii can be considered as part of Asia and Eastern Russia along with Siberia can be considered as part of Asia. And thus, its on-topic! Last edited by Shadow Kira01; 2008-11-24 at 07:43. Reason: added explanation |
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Well, as for the original theme of this thread, I do not think the petty bickering will stop anytime soon.
I have read within this thread, from I assume ethnic Chinese (not necessarily from PRC), that Japan still harbors ambitions to dominate the region which holds no real context. Although they point out some politicians and government official that stepped out of line in stating something of the past war. I still have not heard of anyone within the government stating in the line of Japan should take up it's former glory or what not.( I will agree with you people if I hear that but not until) On the other hand we see people swaying blind eyes even though PRC is dangerously piling up their military power upgrading their weapons with a very translucent accountabilty in military research spending and being caught in multiple nations for espionage. Really people, get real, if a war occurs bullets will not select their targets based on ethnic background. One more thing about petty bickering, I found this article on the web about a survey a Chinese news service agency did to their people on which nation they hate; http://www.excite.co.jp/News/china/2...081124015.html It came out 1.South Korea 40.1% 2. Japan 30.2% 3.India NA Now how do you think anykind of bickering will end with results like that? |
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Rather, I've repeatedly voiced my misgivings about the intentions of nationalistic elements within the Japanese government. I did not, and would not, equate these officials with the rest of Japan. I do acknowledge that they are different, and that ordinary Japanese are, by and large, pacifists today, for which I'm grateful. Quote:
But what is not right, and will never be right, is the continued attempts of these officials to downplay the atrocities of the Sino-Japanese war and World War II. You say that ordinary Japanese disapprove of their antics. Well then, how come I don't hear more of them coming forward to condemn these officials? Is it a case of ordinary Japanese not caring about the truth? Is it a case of quiet acquiescence of these officials' claims? Given the widespread lack of information, within Japan, of what truly transpired in East Asia during World War II, how many ordinary Japanese know enough to show up these nationalists for the dangerous fools that they are? Those are the questions which bother people in the rest of East Asia. And please, it's not just ethnic Chinese who bear a grudge. Koreans too. Filippinos as well. East Asians well remember the Japanese atroicties of the past. So long as ordinary Japanese allow revisionist officials to run around unchecked, Japan will never fully redeem forgiveness in our eyes. Which is a great pity. I do like the Japan of today, and I do wish we could move past the ghosts of the past. But the ball lies in Japan's court. Japan must do more to own up to its past, instead of continuing to make insincere apologies. |
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It's the standard ethnic nationalism mixed with historical bad blood that nations bordering one another tend to have. |
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*I'm not sure if that's the correct English name, but that's what their homepage translated it to 2) It's very hard to take a poll seriously when the first line is: イエス・キリストは韓国人だった、サッカーは韓国で生まれた、寿司は韓国人が作り出したなど、韓国人による 他国文化の「乗っ取り」は後を絶たない。 Jesus Christ was a Korean, soccer was born in Korea, sushi was also made in Korea, etc; the Koreans "take over" of other countries' culture seem endless. If this is the main reason why the Chinese posters "hate" Korea, then the world is a pretty safe place. I doubt China will use its warmachine to "correct" the history of soccer and sushi or go after Jesus in the Korea Peninsula. 3) 嫌いな国ランキングで日本は一位から二位にダウンしただけでなく、好きな国ランキングで三位に なっている。 これ笑うしかないよ~ 中国人にもツンデレいるもんだな |
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Meanwhile, the crisis has been building up in the financial sector for decades. Some people did see it coming but most people were caught up in the euphoria of a bubble economy and thought it'd never end. I'm skeptical of human error being blamed on "ingenious" political planning. Politicians aren't geniuses, they're opportunists. |
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I could go on, but really, there's not much point. What I can say is that it's not that you're not on the right track, but rather that your analysis is too shallow, and fails to take into account many human realities. In a democracy, politicians have a need to win elections, in order to stay in power to carry out whatever reforms that need to be carried out. It doesn't take much to see where conflicts of interest would soon arise. It's an indication of inherent flaws within democratic government, which has a tendency to morph into the mob rule if every citizen in the country is not careful. In other words, it's not just politicians who are to blame for the world's problems, but every one of us. Shifting blame is the first step towards perpetuating our crises, instead of solving them. |
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I guess the most amusing thing to me is how some people can see the mote in everyone else's eye but fail to notice their own potential issues in that regard. And no, I'm not "ethnic Chinese".... and yes, the PRC should be kept under a spotlight as well... and so should the Korean nationalists.... and everyone else's noisy neighbors. Responding to an identified problem by pointing out everyone's problems --- doesn't really address the problem, does it? I love Japan, I love the USA, heck, I love Canada --- it doesn't mean I don't see their blemishes...
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