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View Poll Results: Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA - Episode 6 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 48 | 73.85% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 8 | 12.31% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 4.62% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 6.15% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.54% | |
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll |
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2013-08-30, 17:39 | Link #121 | |
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If that still bothers you, we have come up with possible explanations in this thread. Sounds to me like you're just looking for excuses not to like this show. Pray tell, what were the other "many things wrong" about this fight? Most Fate fans agree this is the first time Archer's fighting style has been faithfully animated and loved this episode as result.
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2013-08-30, 17:53 | Link #122 | |
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Also, I thought the mangaka was female for some reason. |
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2013-08-30, 18:07 | Link #123 | |
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There was nearly 0 thought given to the mechanics of the battle, something that other fate works give tons of. I don't appreciate this flashy nonsense that just reminds me of what was so wrong with the UBW movie. It doesn't help that I hate the character designs and general aesthetics and tone of the show a lot as well. And sorry, if you're going to take type-moon universe concepts and characters, you should be faithful to them. Else use different characters, a different universe, and different fight mechanics. That's my opinion of course, but I think it's for the better.
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2013-08-30, 18:11 | Link #124 | |
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2013-08-30, 18:12 | Link #125 |
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We never really get a chance to see whether or not Archer can fight on equal ground as Saber, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea he can't. They only engage in "combat" twice, one of which was just Archer being surprised by seeing her while trying to guard Rin and getting gouged, and the other where he no longer has a Master to provide mana, consisting of two clashes. The first, she's drained and he dominates her like a normal adult would dominate a child in combat. The second, she's recharged and he's still without a source of mana, and he's not trying to beat her but get around her, but cannot.
None of this tells me that, all things being equal, he'd be unable to fight her. And I don't see how you can say nearly no thought was given to the mechanics of the battle. What does that even mean? Sorry, but just because everything isn't laid bare 100% in dialogue doesn't mean there isn't logic behind why things happen. It is pretty damned faithful to the source. |
2013-08-30, 20:48 | Link #126 | |
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Saber Alter used Excalibur, the next shot wouldn't have enough firepower. Probably something like: Excalibur at 100%, now at 80%. Ilya has 90% excalibur, shot at 90% full power.
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2013-08-30, 21:01 | Link #127 |
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Yeah, I have to say coming back weeks later this fight was still awesome. Just a great showdown and enjoyable fight. A case where two fighters weren't in a condition to really comment or chat during their fight, just purely going at it. At most Miyu commentating here and there.
I'd agree that repetitive use of Excalibur would have to have some downside. Even if there was a gap between the attack launched at Rin/Luvia and the attack on Illya that kind of recharge can't happen instantly. While on the other hand Illya just poured everything into that attack leading to her collapsing almost instantly after.
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2013-08-31, 06:21 | Link #128 | |
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Heaven's Feel route says hi. |
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2013-08-31, 10:19 | Link #129 |
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Remember that Shirou actually traces Excalibur (or a really, really good fascimile thereof) in HF Normal. Excalibur being a divine weapon that's untracable was a retcon established in Complete Material 3, which was released more than a year after the Prisma Illya manga finished.
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2013-08-31, 15:39 | Link #130 |
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In fairness to Reckoner, some people prefer action scenes where the combat is very rules-based and cerebral, where the cunning and tactics and wits of the combatants are just as important as (if not more important than) their emotions and will to win and explosive powers. Rules-based in the sense of either abides by real life laws of physics, or at least by the internal logic set by the fictional universe the action is in.
But then, some prefer action scenes with a lot of emotion infused in it, and lots of flashy explosions and dashing moves. While I do like a little bit of smarts in my action heroes/heroines, I do admit I lean more to the latter, so that's probably partly why I liked this episode a lot more than Reckoner did. That, plus I've always been fond of the magical girl genre and this show embraces that genre wonderfully, imo.
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2013-08-31, 16:19 | Link #131 | |
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There's also one fight in the UBW route where an explicitly inferior fighter quite literally wins due to the strength of his beliefs, come to think of it. Prisma Illya as a standalone work actually does a better job of sticking to the rules that it has previously established than FSN does, because it exposits less and less elaborately; therefore, there is no need for awkward exposition to explain away why explicitly numerated abilities did not work in practice like they were supposed to in theory. (As an aside, Gen did a better job of keeping Fate/Zero internally consistent than Nasu did with FSN, at the mild cost of creating some inconsistencies between the two.) |
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2013-08-31, 18:03 | Link #132 | |
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See: Fate/Extra CCC ... and how many times has this issue been brought up (and answered)? Click back, read, and drop it. |
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2013-08-31, 18:19 | Link #133 | |
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The implication I get is that Nasu is saying even a degraded version of Excalibur can't be projected outside of Moon Cell. On the other hand, CCC's developers clearly hadn't read CM3 and seemed to think he could make the proper thing if only he had enough mana, just like most people coming out of FSN. |
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2013-08-31, 22:29 | Link #134 | |
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