(L) R.O.D. TV [Spoilers]

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by dreamless

EPISODE 26 SPOILERS

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Actually I think it doesn't take much time to fabricate all the needed "evidence" of those fake memories... I mean, it's natural for the sisters to go check up on the place they first met, so it's natural to make the scene fit their memories. About where that statue is... I guess in Hongkong, which has sank underwater and where the three sisters supposed to meet.

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Logically, I would agree. But going by how Happily-Ever-After the rest of the ending seemed to be, it would be jarring to see the inscription on the statue as such. In any case, from what I could see of the expository scenes, it wouldn't be too far off to assume that the three sisters were each sent (in their own ways) to the church to "meet", rather than implanting the memory of their meeting. Of course, this would rely a whole lot on Michelle and Maggie having the sort of personality to take Anita into their care... but seeing as how neither Michelle nor Maggie seemed to question their lack of background, I suppose that sort of mental block wouldn't be out of the question.

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

But it was a "nice" ending though eh?

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I dont get (cause i dont understand the language probably) when Nancy went off to India (?) or whereever she was holding up a photo of her/her sister and asking about it. Is she looking for her? Did she not die?? Hmmm
I couldnt understand what was being asked or whatever, but thatll probably come with the fansub just like most of the details of the episodes

Hmm... it's the very lame "all happy" ending IMO... Also it's not even as good as the "first part ending" in episode 12 and 13. Very lackluster...

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I think she just try to investigate what she and her sister have done in the past, she said that she want to know what kind of a person she was before.

[Bindibadgi]

Originally Posted by dreamless

Hmm... it's the very lame "all happy" ending IMO... Also it's not even as good as the "first part ending" in episode 12 and 13. Very lackluster...

Oh yea absolutely - i thought the hong kong tower infultration was done MILES better. I was expecting it to be similar to the OVA ending in style tbh

I liked the all happy ending :P even though it was lame.

[ChibiDusk]

I must say...I am very disapointed in this series.
The OVA was stunning, it did what a 26episode series barely ever does, and all in 3 episodes. Every fight scene wonderfully timed with the music, emotion and such. It was a work of art. I come to see this series...it's like the ran out of money after the first episode and hurried through the rest. The art is sloppy, messy and lacking...this is extremely evident in the last four episodes. Thank god for them re-doing fine detail for the dvd releases....

[Za Paper]

Originally Posted by ChibiDusk

I must say...I am very disapointed in this series.
The OVA was stunning, it did what a 26episode series barely ever does, and all in 3 episodes. Every fight scene wonderfully timed with the music, emotion and such. It was a work of art. I come to see this series...it's like the ran out of money after the first episode and hurried through the rest. The art is sloppy, messy and lacking...this is extremely evident in the last four episodes. Thank god for them re-doing fine detail for the dvd releases....

Well you watched the whole thing so it couldnt have been that bad.

[Dunpeal]

Originally Posted by Za Paper

Well you watched the whole thing so it couldnt have been that bad.

lol good point,personally i enjoyed it,the happy ending was cheesy but i liked it anyway.

[Bindibadgi]

Originally Posted by ChibiDusk

I must say...I am very disapointed in this series.
The OVA was stunning, it did what a 26episode series barely ever does, and all in 3 episodes. Every fight scene wonderfully timed with the music, emotion and such. It was a work of art. I come to see this series...it's like the ran out of money after the first episode and hurried through the rest. The art is sloppy, messy and lacking...this is extremely evident in the last four episodes. Thank god for them re-doing fine detail for the dvd releases....

Well what do you expect? OVAs tend to have the same budget has the whole series so you shouldnt expect a similar quality of animation. A few episodes were significantly crappier drawn than the others ill admit - maybe they should fire that studio? Also OVAs are on action and "one hit wonder" mentality, rather than significant character development and story like the series. The last 2 episodes were drawn well imo, a few of the others however werent. If you read previous posts - the fighting is often in time with the music too, especially Anita's handywork.

[zalas]

Originally Posted by ChibiDusk

I must say...I am very disapointed in this series.
The OVA was stunning, it did what a 26episode series barely ever does, and all in 3 episodes. Every fight scene wonderfully timed with the music, emotion and such. It was a work of art. I come to see this series...it's like the ran out of money after the first episode and hurried through the rest. The art is sloppy, messy and lacking...this is extremely evident in the last four episodes. Thank god for them re-doing fine detail for the dvd releases....

I'm sorry, but the OVA was just an action extravaganza. The TV series had much more character development and is a bit more touching. It is true that the TV series is a bit slow at the start, but that's how you get to know the main characters and their personalities. It is pretty nice they manage to synchronize the TV show with EVERY ROD STORY. By mid-season, the TV show was pretty much on full throttle, unlike some shows which wait till the last 2 episodes or so.

[Rebochan]

I don't see why everyone was complaining. I thoguht it was the perfect ending to the series. I'm also a sucker for a Big Happy Ending. After all the torment these people went through, I liked seeing something good happen from it.

Just a note on the animation - as has been mentioned before, the crappier parts are being redone for the DVD releases in both Japan and America. It's not uncommon for a series to air partially incomplete, then be fully complete for the DVD releases (Hellsing comes to mind).

Time to get my pre-order in for the first R1 volume - this one's a keeper

[dreamless]

the problem is not really about the very ending. I have nothing against big happy ending, although it's a bit lame, especially when you see

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Joker managed to went through it in one piece after doing all those things.

However the final fight before the end is absolutely lackluster. It's supposed to be the final confrontation, the big showdown, and there are so much build-up to it... and then wasted as it's finished so fast and so simple, all the build-up is wasted, it's like "huh? it's over?" -____-

[AkihaTohno]

*watches the ending*

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? Where was all the Miss Deep action?

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Why didn't anyone die? Why not Wendy? AWwwwwww.... and another thing, why didn't they explain why Wendy became a cold hearted bitch?

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by AkihaTohno

*watches the ending*

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? Where was all the Miss Deep action?

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Why didn't anyone die? Why not Wendy? AWwwwwww.... and another thing, why didn't they explain why Wendy became a cold hearted bitch?

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I guess LOVE is the answer to everything I'm happy to see Wendy becomes her old clumsy self, but why Joker not punished? Why it seems the only losers to be the people in Hongkong and the US forces?

[Rebochan]

Originally Posted by dreamless

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I guess LOVE is the answer to everything I'm happy to see Wendy becomes her old clumsy self, but why Joker not punished? Why it seems the only losers to be the people in Hongkong and the US forces?

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I saw that Joker WAS punished - by being ruined by one of his own creations. He often looked down on the disabilities of others and took complete advantage of Nancy. Sure, killing him would have been nice...but being set on a mental level of the tune of Nancy after her accident was more fitting a punishment.

The ending of the series showed why nobody needed to die - despite their actions, the people in the British Library were not truly evil. Yomiko believed this - remember, she wouldn't even kill Joker after everything that had happened between them. The ending was a sort of validation that Yomiko's way was not impossible. If Yomiko had wanted them all dead, she was more than capable of carrying it out. But as Drake observed, Yomiko saw good in people who seemed despicable. It was impossible for her to truly hate someone. For this series to have an ending true to the theme,

I liked that the battle wasn't one of explosions, but of wills. It was a change of pace, but a unique one. I particularly liked Junior declaring that his body belonged to him. Poor little guy...by the way, him zapping Joker's head was a theory of mine. Did anyone else get exactly what Junior did to Joker? I felt that perhaps he loaded him with all the feelings and memories that Junior had gained from Gentleman and it completely overwhelmed Joker, but I could be wrong.

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by Rebochan

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I saw that Joker WAS punished - by being ruined by one of his own creations. He often looked down on the disabilities of others and took complete advantage of Nancy. Sure, killing him would have been nice...but being set on a mental level of the tune of Nancy after her accident was more fitting a punishment.

The ending of the series showed why nobody needed to die - despite their actions, the people in the British Library were not truly evil. Yomiko believed this - remember, she wouldn't even kill Joker after everything that had happened between them. The ending was a sort of validation that Yomiko's way was not impossible. If Yomiko had wanted them all dead, she was more than capable of carrying it out. But as Drake observed, Yomiko saw good in people who seemed despicable. It was impossible for her to truly hate someone. For this series to have an ending true to the theme,

I liked that the battle wasn't one of explosions, but of wills. It was a change of pace, but a unique one. I particularly liked Junior declaring that his body belonged to him. Poor little guy...by the way, him zapping Joker's head was a theory of mine. Did anyone else get exactly what Junior did to Joker? I felt that perhaps he loaded him with all the feelings and memories that Junior had gained from Gentleman and it completely overwhelmed Joker, but I could be wrong.

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I guess Junior just somehow transferred what he received from the gentleman books to Joker. It'd be a proper punishment if Joker stayed zapped, but it seemed that he recovered shortly after...

about evil or not... well, I think it's just the stereotypical japanese anime/game main villain who's trying to achieve his/her own dreams by sacrificing innocent people's lives. And I think that already passes for "evil".

[Sncm]

But...

WHAT HAPPENS TO JOKER????? No one really explained what happened to him at the very end.

[Za Paper]

Originally Posted by Sncm

But...

WHAT HAPPENS TO JOKER????? No one really explained what happened to him at the very end.

His eyes went from blank to normal so I think he's ok.

The ending was kind of a let down for me as well. All that momentum built up and it just faded into the end. Ah well, I love the 2nd ed song.

[dkellis]

I don't think there can be an ending that satisfies everyone. If they had included a long (up to an entire "extra" episode, even) epilogue about where everyone was now, people would complain that the anime was dragging too long with unnecessary filler.

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And the last fight was certainly dramatic enough for me. Nenene sacrificing her new novel for the paper-users was pretty cool, and I liked the fact that they didn't turn it into some great big burly-brawl. There isn't really any way for them to present a real challenge to the superpowered heroes otherwise; the Dokusensha big bloke died in the sinking of Hong Kong, and if he were brought back, there would need to be some explanation of why.

Overall, I loved this anime. It had more than enough plot twists to keep me watching long after I should have stopped and done my homework (curse you Psych paper), but it resolved a great deal of them by series' end (unlike, say, Spiral). For everything else, I suppose there's fanfic.

[hunterx]

the ending was definately anti-climatic. Was anyone surprised when yomiko's plan failed miserably? nope. I didn't like the way the ending was told but I liked the conclusion to the series. Everyone got back to normal.. for the sake of the girls because they were just taking one loss after another. I was relieved to find no one died.

A little more on joker would have been nice but like all anime endings, there are really no bad guys, or should I say winners and losers. I've seen this type of ending too many times not to be bothered by it anymore.

Btw what happened to anita's girlfriends memory? did they fix it back?

[CelestiaLegends]

That ending was the most horrific anti-climacticly putrid ending ever! -_- it doesn't deserve the title or Read or Die! (or Dream, if you so choose.) Read or Die is a masterpiece! That was CRAP! I mean, the whole world domination plan was SO well crafted, the storyline up to that point was pure ingenuity, that ending utterly decimated Humpty Dumpty! He can never be put together again! He's smashed! ARGH unbelieveable. I feel like a female prying mantis who just ripped off the males head before cupolating only to find out he's infertile. (Female mantisis tear off the male's head before mating.) It's utter frustration, how could they do such a thing to such a great series. Gaaarr I waited a week for this -_- LAME!! LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME!!! Like I said, the ending was supposed to be a masterpiece, A MASTERPIECE!!! I could have made a better ending than that!! sheesh. *sigh* I'll shut up. God. What a dissappointment.

OVA: 8/10
Series - 1-24: 9/10
Last 2 eps: -345405986415610487609939564309856409855/10

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by CelestiaLegends

I could have made a better ending than that!!

How so?

(I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious. I thought the ending was great, and I'm interested in seeing how it can be made better.)