To Aru Majutsu no Index - Anime General Discussion [NO SPOILERS]

[OverFunk]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Not only that, but because JC Staff is following it so loyally

So, this hasn't deviated from the written version?

That alone should be a reason to celebrate, considering JC Staff's record...

[Deathkillz]

I don't know what some of you guys are moaning about as I'm not the slightest bothered about the amount of talking these past two episodes (strangely enough...I find the conversations quite interesting as well as important to establish where the series is going and the personalities of the cast). Look at it this way, it has yet to cross the "boring line" with the amount of talk so far...unlike a certain ninja series last two seasons ago

ep 5

Spoiler:

And I thought this was a good episode. There seems to be quite a lot of dislike for Touma but I can see why that is. He doesn't "know his place" when it comes to index and obviously shouldn't have that much of a say in how she should be treated compared to her life long friends. But the fact that he does have a say doesn't bother me the slightest. I find it a good thing that he is so focused on trying to save Index but he should drop the "hero" attitude...

But I know how he feels. He wants to save Index and her memories but has no idea how to do it. So looking at the path of science was a good start. Komoe has grown on my as a character quite a bit. She is funny and erm...cute?
Thanks to her though, Touma was able to confirm that his way of thinking isn't wrong and this is making the church more of an enemy than first suspected. Glad to see that Touma was also able to use some brains to connect the situation with Index and her friends so there will be no finger pointing later on (hopefully).

Though the scene with him sticking his fingers into her mouth made me laugh...and choke. What a random piece of plot

[orion]

Well being The Church, putting that seal elsewhere would have been controversial. It certainly can be the source of fanfiction. THAT Animeblog has the right idea.

Double entendre ftw!

[kittybear]

Originally Posted by OverFunk

So, this hasn't deviated from the written version?

That alone should be a reason to celebrate, considering JC Staff's record...

Lets just hope it continues this way...

[Mushi]

Ok... just finished episode five.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

I don't know what some of you guys are moaning about as I'm not the slightest bothered about the amount of talking these past two episodes (strangely enough...I find the conversations quite interesting as well as important to establish where the series is going and the personalities of the cast).

It's good stuff. I like it when I have to pay attention, follow a dialogue and actually think about what's being communicated and revealed.

ep 5

Spoiler:

And I thought this was a good episode. There seems to be quite a lot of dislike for Touma but I can see why that is. He doesn't "know his place" when it comes to index and obviously shouldn't have that much of a say in how she should be treated compared to her life long friends. But the fact that he does have a say doesn't bother me the slightest. I find it a good thing that he is so focused on trying to save Index but he should drop the "hero" attitude...

But I know how he feels. He wants to save Index and her memories but has no idea how to do it. So looking at the path of science was a good start. Komoe has grown on my as a character quite a bit. She is funny and erm...cute?
Thanks to her though, Touma was able to confirm that his way of thinking isn't wrong and this is making the church more of an enemy than first suspected. Glad to see that Touma was also able to use some brains to connect the situation with Index and her friends so there will be no finger pointing later on (hopefully).

Excellent summary. I've been having some trouble accepting Touma, but I think he managed to redeem some of his emo behavior this episode.

Spoiler:

I don't mind his hero ambitions so much, but yeah, it was the attitude he was approaching it with that was annoying. His discovery of Index's true malady gives him some credibility, now, even though he did rip the bandage off his hand and defiantly proclaim his determination to be a "hero."

Spoiler:

Though the scene with him sticking his fingers into her mouth made me laugh...and choke. What a random piece of plot

Spoiler:

When they showed him looking down at her hips and thighs, I flashed back on Chobits and thought, "No... please... don't go there."
*For those who haven't seen Chobits... Chii is an android who's reset switch is in her vagina... which her new owner discovers after poking her everywhere else.*

In light of that, the mouth was a fairly innocuous location.

Nice cliff hanger ending, too. Can't wait for next week.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Mushi

Spoiler:

I don't mind his hero ambitions so much, but yeah, it was the attitude he was approaching it with that was annoying. His discovery of Index's true malady gives him some credibility, now, even though he did rip the bandage off his hand and defiantly proclaim his determination to be a "hero."

Negi in Negima?! does a similar thing. It's a shonen-thing.

[Mushi]

Originally Posted by orion

Negi in Negima?! does a similar thing. It's a shonen-thing.

Oh, I realize it's a common character trait, and there's always the desire to become "stronger." It's just the attitude behind it that makes a difference. Negi, I think, is fairly humble about it. He desires to prove himself, but more or less accepts his limits and doesn't despair in anguish over it to the degree Touma has been.

[tzia_n]

Originally Posted by orion

Ah so I have more naive speeches to look forward too. [sarcasm]Oh joy.[/sarcasm]

well you don't really have to take what touma says too seriously just laugh at him if want

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

... and last 5% to get to the meat.

you know, that sounded really bad considering the ecchiness of the context the conversation we now have

edit: i dunno, i actually kinda find trying to be a hero quite un-hero-ish. hence why i dropped kurogane no line barrels after ep 2...

[KaneDragon]

Rescued from /a/.

[Mushi]

Originally Posted by KaneDragon

Rescued from /a/.

Nothing is sacred (or safe) where /a/ is concerned.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Sytil is pathetic resorting to name calling such as mutant and monster.

When he can't even defend himself without magic.

Technically speaking Touma isn't even considered an Esper. He is something else that is yet to be explained.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

I don't know what some of you guys are moaning about as I'm not the slightest bothered about the amount of talking these past two episodes (strangely enough...I find the conversations quite interesting as well as important to establish where the series is going and the personalities of the cast). Look at it this way, it has yet to cross the "boring line" with the amount of talk so far...unlike a certain ninja series last two seasons ago

Quoted for truth.

At least 95% of the talk contains relevant information. I guess it's a matter of what you personally expect from an anime - whirring swords and explosions or a continuous storyline. I prefer the latter.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Sytil is pathetic resorting to name calling such as mutant and monster.

When he can't even defend himself without magic.

Technically speaking Touma isn't even considered an Esper. He is something else that is yet to be explained.

The point is that Stiyl (or whatever his name is) LEARNED magic whereas Touma was merely born with the power that gives him so much confidence. Stiyl worked hard for it (presumably) and Touma's just a freak.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Clarste

The point is that Stiyl (or whatever his name is) LEARNED magic whereas Touma was merely born with the power that gives him so much confidence. Stiyl worked hard for it (presumably) and Touma's just a freak.

Though really its all about the fact Touma kicked kicked his ass . Felt pretty immature things went down to petty name calling. Though calling people like Touma freaks is somewhat expected from the whole history. Was fear, jealousy, and wanting power for themselves that is at the source of magic. Though thats a generalization and more to it for individuals involved than just that.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Sytil is pathetic resorting to name calling such as mutant and monster.

When he can't even defend himself without magic.

Really?

To be honest, I was glad that Stiyl was giving Touma a verbal smackdown simply because he DESERVED it. Simply put, right now, what Touma is doing is incredibly irresponsible, and Stiyl is 100% correct to point it out. Touma is playing wannabe hero in a disturbing way. I don't doubt that he's trying to "help" Index, but his fixation on being/becoming a hero displays a disturbing ego and also lack of common sense. It's at least as much about HIMSELF as it is about Index.

Look at it from the perspective of a doctor. There's the approach to prolong a bad situation via memory erasure (the Kaori/Stiyl version). And it's exactly as Kaori put it: "At least, we were saving her life up to now". This adheres to the oath of doctors: "First, do no harm". They DO care for Index first and foremost, since they draw NO personal benefit out of it. And they let Index live happily with Touma as long as the time allowed for it.

Touma on the other hand is merely a strongly opinionated meddler. It boggles my mind that simply with 1-2 phone calls he decides to try to "dispel" whatever "the church meddled with her". It's the equivalent of an unrelated friend trying to pull life support out of a person in ciritical condition because he believes that it's actually harmful. It's shallow, reckless and utterly irresponsible. Who knows what happens when he removes the magic put on Index? How does he know that she won't die? And how can he dare to do this sh*t even without asking HER for consent first?

Sorry folks. Stiyl is rude here - sure - but his general assessment is sound. Touma _is_ a monster, a very stupid one. He might be lucky in the end, and his intents are well-meaning, but his execution is terrible. He should have simply agreed to the memory wipe, and then taken the next year trying to figure out if science can "save" Index somehow. He shouldn't have jumped the gun like that.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Yeah right... The Neccessarius (sp?) will just leave Index alone.

Thing is Touma asked for a second opinion and those two being fatalist stooges won't hear it.

Oh Ho! Guess what? Their surperiors lied. Fools both of them.

Touma may not be the sharpest tool in the shed nut he uses brains.

He actually questions where Kaori got her figures. In real life memorization even photographic memory won't kill anybody.

Touma's ability certainly can't be used for personal gain given the side effects.

He can't only use it to protect himself and others.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

I don't know what some of you guys are moaning about as I'm not the slightest bothered about the amount of talking these past two episodes (strangely enough...I find the conversations quite interesting as well as important to establish where the series is going and the personalities of the cast). Look at it this way, it has yet to cross the "boring line" with the amount of talk so far...unlike a certain ninja series last two seasons ago

Oh good, I thought I was the only one who felt that way

I'll be waiting for my english subs to finish loading before I go into the details-details, but in general I strongly support your statement and summary thoughts as well... But I don't think you should take what Touma said about being a hero too seriously, it's more like a response to Stiyl's earlier remark.

The reason why I said this was because in the Railgun story, there was a chance for him to take credit for a BIG heroic act, but he just shrugged it off saying it doesn't matter who did it.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Look at it from the perspective of a doctor. There's the approach to prolong a bad situation via memory erasure (the Kaori/Stiyl version). And it's exactly as Kaori put it: "At least, we were saving her life up to now". This adheres to the oath of doctors: "First, do no harm". They DO care for Index first and foremost, since they draw NO personal benefit out of it. And they let Index live happily with Touma as long as the time allowed for it.

Touma on the other hand is merely a strongly opinionated meddler. It boggles my mind that simply with 1-2 phone calls he decides to try to "dispel" whatever "the church meddled with her". It's the equivalent of an unrelated friend trying to pull life support out of a person in ciritical condition because he believes that it's actually harmful. It's shallow, reckless and utterly irresponsible. Who knows what happens when he removes the magic put on Index? How does he know that she won't die? And how can he dare to do this sh*t even without asking HER for consent first?

Sorry folks. Stiyl is rude here - sure - but his general assessment is sound. Touma _is_ a monster, a very stupid one. He might be lucky in the end, and his intents are well-meaning, but his execution is terrible. He should have simply agreed to the memory wipe, and then taken the next year trying to figure out if science can "save" Index somehow. He shouldn't have jumped the gun like that.

Well...

A doctor would have called in a consult because their explanation of what was happening to Index was s*** from the start and we would have had less crap and gotten to the last 5% of ep. 5 faster as the "rune scan" would have been done earlier. It was pretty apparent that something else was causing her deterioration. Memory overload just wasn't covering it.

Stiyl and Kanzaki aren't her guardians so their wishes have no bearing. Index is of age apparently since she's a nun so Index would have told the MD what she wanted him/her to do and Touma would have broken the seal. She prob would have been restrained and other precautions taken before they would have attempted to break the seal. As before, we would have gotten to the last 5% faster and safer.

I'm just being way too practical and will turn my brain off for that type of reasoning until this problem of Index's is resolved.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by orion

Well...

A doctor would have called in a consult because their explanation of what was happening to Index was s*** from the start and we would have had less crap and gotten to the last 5% of ep. 5 faster as the "rune scan" would have been done earlier. It was pretty apparent that something else was causing her deterioration. Memory overload just wasn't covering it.

Stiyl and Kanzaki aren't her guardians so their wishes have no bearing. Index is of age apparently since she's a nun so Index would have told the MD what she wanted him/her to do and Touma would have broken the seal. She prob would have been restrained and other precautions taken before they would have attempted to break the seal. As before, we would have gotten to the last 5% faster and safer.

I'm just being way too practical and will turn my brain off for that type of reasoning until this problem of Index's is resolved.

You do recall that they have to do all that within a limited period of time right?

Stiyl and Kanzaki might not be her Guardian, but they sure have enough firepower to have it their way.

[SuperKnuckles]

There's a definite magic/religion and science rift though. Obviously those raised by the Church's own special magic unit won't consult scientists or anything. I know that's a lot of assumption, but I guess the show will flesh that out more. Oh, and espers.