2010-02-20, 15:32 | Link #241 |
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Why do you guys think that BB is that strong? He only has a major advantage against logia types, zoan and certain paramecia types because he can cancel their DF powers but if the person already has Zoro level brute strength then kicking BB's ass should be easy.
The thing that gave logia types a distinct advantage against Luffy and others is their inability to be hit but as shown once they can be hit owning them isn't far off and since Luffy has brute strength even without his gomu gomu powers he should be able to beat BB easily.
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2010-02-20, 15:58 | Link #242 | |
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He is annoying character, but I think it's false hope if you assume that he is just going to be side character in this story, when obviously that is not the case. If they weren't would you watch this? So why BB has to be strong, because Luffy's enemies are always strong.
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2010-02-20, 17:15 | Link #243 |
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I've been saying that Whitebeard has no intention of becoming Pirate King for the longest. Whitebeard was already called the "King of the Seas" without him even reaching Raftel.
If I was to rate Blackbeard, I'd actually say he's just a little stronger than Luffy. I honestly think Ace would have crushed if he had knowledge of Blackbeard's ability. Ace got angry when he said he was going to kill Luffy and didn't fight Blackbeard strategically. I can't see Luffy defeating Blackbeard, but I can damn sure see him coming mighty close to. Luffy is (most likely) much faster, very strong, and got strong determination even with using his Haki. Just because Blackbeard managed to scar Shanks before Shanks was even a Yonkou (or even before he met Luffy) doesn't mean a thing. Don't make assumptions, even though the evidence is there, doesn't mean Blackbeard will the final opponent. The Supernova were introduced for a reason, Oda has never created something for nothing. For all we know Blackbeard's purpose has been fulfilled. |
2010-02-20, 17:53 | Link #244 |
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Well I can't know for sure, but it just seem very likely. What comes to BB and Ace fight, Ace went right to his trap. BB was shown as hunter and Ace as dangerous prey. And we all know that BB owned. Maybe if Ace would had known him better he could have won... but I doubt.
I think Blackbeard is quite good villain, since he seems to annoy people. That makes it all more sweet when Luffy finally gets his revenge on him. I don't know why do you want so much to deny him being possible rival for luffy. What kind of man that rival should be in your opinion? And he can yet develop himself too you know. I can't see them fighting anytime soon.
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2010-02-20, 18:03 | Link #247 | |
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Never mind, let's wait and see. I bet on BB being pain in ass for long time.
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2010-02-20, 18:11 | Link #248 | |
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Oh, and I didn't say he was weak, cuz Magellan's a monster, no doubt about it. But for him and his whole crew to get rocked that badly by him makes me think that there isn't a lot more to him than appears. I don't know what he's done thus far to make him seem like THAT much of a beast, such that people rate him that highly. I guess we'll see what he can do, but I think it was fairly obvious that he was too afraid of Whitebeard to face head-on, so he went around the cunning way and got someone else to do the dirty work for him. |
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2010-02-20, 18:31 | Link #250 |
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A little of both? That's what I would say. Make no mistake, he's a major bad guy, no doubt. I think that he'll make a formidable enemy for Luffy, and by the way it's looking so far, maybe unlike any enemy he's faced before. But I still don't think he's in the top tier as strength goes. He hasn't shown combat prowess sufficiently for me to think otherwise.
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2010-02-20, 18:39 | Link #251 |
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Yes it's true that we haven't seen him do actually anything.. what comes to fight. I think it's obvious why.
But if we put that aside and make some conclusions about his deeds. He is actually caused both fall of marines and fall of Whitebeard. His evil plans have crushed the balance of world in OP. That's quite a role not to mention he indirectly caused Luffy's brother's death.
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2010-02-20, 20:42 | Link #252 |
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I just wanted to chime in about agreeing with the whole deal about Whitebeard never intending to become Pirate King. I already got that impression during Impel Down, but it's pretty much been all but confirmed during the current arc. Of course, I'm referring to Sengoku telling Ace that Whitebeard wanted to make him king all along, but moreso than that, what I think really clinched it for me was that very brief flashback that Whitebeard had at the end of chapter 572. He has no interest in treasure, so of course he has no desire for the One Piece, either (and yeah, I also think he's keeping his mitts off the treasure for Roger's sake, but I still think he's mainly acting on his own principles in this regard). Ace is pretty similar to his "old man", in a few ways.... before he died, he said that he had no desire for fame, which means he never wanted to become king, either. When you put that into consideration, it's sort of no wonder that Ace had so much admiration for old Newgate (and yet the both of them still wanted to make the other into a king)......
Anyways, while I of course want to see some action from Blackbeard's new recruits (and hell, even his original crew since most of them have barely done anything so far), I also want to see some more epic Whitebeard action next chapter. Again, I'm quite certain that Akainu isn't quite down for the count yet (and am actually expecting him to leap out of that fissure in the form of a giant, angry magma Kaijuu ), I still want to see Whitebeard fight against some other powerful marines before ol' Red Doggy makes an encore performance. Preferably, I want to see him fight Sengoku so we can finally see whether or not there's more to his DF power than his giant angry Buddha Kaijuu form. |
2010-02-20, 22:06 | Link #254 |
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On the topic of Wolf being the ship and swimming from island to island seems very likly. Any one every read Zatch Bell, that had something a lot like this too, I see it in the realm of possibilities. I also think there wont be a new crew member. Just like Merry was the crews nakama, Sunny is to. So i feel like no new crew member will be added. It will be a battle of the ships, Sunny Vs. Wolf.
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2010-02-20, 22:08 | Link #255 | |
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2010-02-20, 23:24 | Link #256 | |
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White Beard says a lot of things to people. He was dealing with Shanks not a Crew member. Shanks is a Yonkou too. Second you never admit thing to someone who is your rival. In chapter 552 Page 14 White Beard tells Ace not to go after Black Beard. In chapter 434 page 12-14 Shanks talks about Ace and Black Beard before talks break down. White Beard already told Ace not to go because of the bad feeling and then the meeting between White Beard and Red Hair Shanks Happens. To me this means White Beard was already on the same page has Shanks when the meeting happened. Third Ace had two chances to walk away from the situation. One was on Chapter 552 page 14 and the other was chapter 573 Page 11. In my view there is no revenge or justice for Ace. It was his own emotions that got him in the grave. As for Thatch, the day White Beard told Ace to let the murder Black Beard go that was when revenge or justice was not an issue. I am not saying white beard isn't going to fight Black Beard or want revenge. But in my view White Beard is going to handle this issue with Black Beard different. Ace is dead and so is the crew member Black Beard killed, and nothing is going to change that. White Beard of all people should know that. Death of a crew member is one thing but the changing of the guard is different. If Black Beard is going to replace White Beard or get a Yonkou like status like I think. White Beard is going to want a say in it. That is just my opinion. Yonkou and Strawhat Crew journey to the New world I just thinking that luffy and his crew are going to have a turbulent ride in the new world. I mean when White Beard dies there will be a huge shit storm between Power houses. I wonder How Luffy and his crew are going to go on there Journey without being challenged buy everyone out there? Because thanks to Buggy the TV up and running again. Marines If Admiral Akainu survives I hope he will have a scar or a deformity on the body. That will go great with his character. Also he and Croc will have something in common. Last edited by grey_1960; 2010-02-21 at 02:53. Reason: Forgot to add and thought |
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2010-02-20, 23:42 | Link #257 |
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So from what I seen BB pirates vs SH would be.
Luffy vs Teach-captain vs captain Zorro vs Shiryuu-swordsman vs swordsman Sanji vs Jesus- leg vs fist(?) Nami vs Lafitte- Navigator vs Navigator Ussop vs Van Auger- sniper vs sniper Chopper vs Doc Q( and Stronger)- Doctor vs Doctor Franky vs Basco- Cola vs Alcohol Robbin vs Catarina- this one seems to fit so that leaves Brook vs the guy with the horn I suppose. And then I guess Sunny vs Wolf? agreed, and the fact that we haven't really seen enough of Yami Yami fruit's in action. I am pretty sure that Oda will be able to do some creative things with the fruit's power.
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That said Whitebeard is a serious threat so Blackbeard will probably challenge him with his entire crew. |
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2010-02-20, 23:59 | Link #259 |
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^The Yonkou is not an organization, rather they are a title assigned by the WG to indicate the 4 top Pirate captains (and their crew) positioned in the New World.
That being said, AddiKtioNn-BlaCk is wrong on one point: Blackbeard can absorb people into his Darkness. Just read 542 (page 04) and see Blackbeard absorb some poor marines. |
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I mean how is the government going to look after Luffy destroyed Enies Lobby, beat up a tenryubito, infiltrated and utterly defeated Impel Down then went to Marine HQ and helped in its destruction and they still couldn't capture him. That is 3 symbols of justice defeated in less than a year with 1 man in the center of it all. If the revolutionaries start making their move the WG is completely screwed.
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